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Originally Posted by paraclete

How are the people of Haiti by the way, how many have you lifted out of poverty?

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That's the problem with counting on government . For my part ;one of my favorite charities to donate to is 'Habitat for Humanity ' . They are on the ground making a real difference . Not like Clintoon and his posturing .

Haiti isn't part of the USA or one of its terrirories, they are responsible for their own personal hell thanks to institutionalized corruption... They speak French... that makes it Frances problem.

Besides... if they are so poor why do they keep breeeding so fast.

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They speak French... that makes it Frances problem.

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Haha, thanks for the laugh, I love your stuff.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Means a lot, but I don't believe YOUR version of events, plain and simple.

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I don't have a version of events, that's why we need to investigate. I Just know the admin is lying to the American people.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Haiti isn't part of the USA or one of its terrirories, they are responsible for their own personal hell thanks to institutionalized corruption....They speak French...that makes it Frances problem.

Besides...if they are so poor why do they keep breeeding so fast.

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Population control is the luxuzy of the rich, the point I was making was help the people in your own region before interferring elsewhere

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Originally Posted by paraclete

population control is the luxuzy of the rich, the point I was making was help the people in your own region before interferring elsewhere

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Haiti is the same as anythig to do with Africa... anything you do is a monumental waste of time and money and it only makes a handful of people much richer there..

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Haiti is the same as anythig to do with Africa.....anything you do is a monumental waste of time and money and it only makes a handful of people much richer there..

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My younger son was in Haiti a year ago for a church mission project to help rebuild a church and school. His stories and photos about the living conditions, animals freely roaming the streets, the dirt and poverty, the lack of ambition to clean up all the debris... mind-boggling.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Haiti is the same as anythig to do with Africa.....anything you do is a monumental waste of time and money and it only makes a handful of people much richer there..

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It is amazing you think people who are depressed and without resources can help themselves. They need to be freed from poverty by restoration of their inferstructure and economy. The rich will get rich no matter what you do, that's no excuse not to help at the most basic level.

Do you think we stood back and applied the same attitude when the tsumani hit Indonesia. I'm sure we were aware there would be profiteers and momumental stuffups but we spent a billion dollars and we didn't have a government that couldn't get it together and we didn't say it was someoneelse's problem because they don't speak english

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Originally Posted by paraclete

It is amazing you think people who are depressed and without resources can help themselves. They need to be freed from poverty by restoration of their inferstructure and economy. The rich will get rich no matter what you do, that's no excuse not to help at the most basic level.

do you think we stood back and applied the same attitude when the tsumani hit Indonesia. i'm sure we were aware there would be profiteers and momumental stuffups but we spent a billion dollars and we didn't have a government that couldn't get it together

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Restoration of WHAT infrastructure and WHAT economy? THat place has been a disaster since it was a French Colony and its only got worse afterwards...

BILLIONS have been wasted there... Corruption is part of their culture... its like its part of their DNA... it always ends the same way... nothing ever changes... they actually LIKE it to be that way.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

the lack of ambition to clean up all the debris.... mind-boggling.

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That says a lot doesn't it.People on Staten Island and around this region are not waiting for someone else to do it for them. Within hours debris in most homes people could get to was cleaned out and left in a pile by the curb. When sanitation trucks come ;the people are helping them load the trucks.

You don't get, I know you don't. People with money and resources have a different attitude, and they even have insurance, they know they have to get things together to get back to normality. Haiti was hit by a earthquake which kicked a nation in the guts that was already on its knees. So what does normality look for them? These people didn't have anything to begin with so where do you start? You do what they did and set up temporary shelters. What they don't need is a neighbour standing back and saying well hard luck, call us when you get back on your feet

I call your BS . We have pumped tremendous resources into the country as a nation both publicly and privately. A nation needs real leaders at the top... that is what they have always lacked . Doesn't do them any good that their leaders line their pocket with the aid .

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You don't get, I know you don't. People with money and resources have a different attitude, and they even have insurance, they know they have to get things together to get back to normality. Haiti was hit by a earthquake which kicked a nation in the guts that was already on its knees. So what does normality look for them? These people didn't have anything to begin with so where do you start? you do what they did and set up temporary shelters. What they don't need is a neighbour standing back and saying well hard luck, call us when you get back on your feet

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I'm sure they would he happy to take your money. Lets see if you can actually get any different results...

You know there is an old saying... don't bite the hand that feeds you. This is one of those places that gets exactly what it deserves... they keep putting the most corrupt people possible into office. But then the entire place is either positively lazy or positively corrupt. There isn't much middle ground.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

I'm sure they would he happy to take your money. Lets see if you can actually get any different results .............

You know there is an old saying......don't bite the hand that feeds you. This is one of those places that gets exactly what it deserves....they keep putting the most corrupt people possible into office. But then the entire place is either positively lazy or positively corrupt. There isn't much middle ground.

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Not unlike your own country it takes corruption to get into office and hold it. In such a place if you don't have money you don't go anywhere and you don't get anything done, what you see as lazy is simply lack of means, I know they could put up mud huts but the rain would wash them away, concrete costs money. In such circumstances would you settle for a tent, I'll bet you would. Can you grow a crop without seed, can you take your crop to market without transport. You surely need a dose of reality. How long did it take your own slaves to find a place in society, it had to be done at the point of a gun. How does a nation of slaves lift itself out of poverty. I know what it is like to start with nothing even in a country where opportunity exists, what do you think it is like where there is no opportunity?

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Not unlike your own country it takes corruption to get into office and hold it. In such a place if you don't have money you don't go anywhere and you don't get anything done, what you see as lazy is simply lack of means, I know they could put up mud huts but the rain would wash them away, concrete costs money. In such circumstances would you settle for a tent, i'll bet you would. Can you grow a crop without seed, can you take your crop to market without transport. You surely need a dose of reality. How long did it take your own slaves to find a place in society, it had to be done at the point of a gun. How does a nation of slaves lift itself out of poverty. i know what it is like to start out with nothing even in a country where opportunity exists, what do you think it is like where there is no opportunity?

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You obviously don't get accurate information from your news sources pertaining to Haiti...

This is what needs done there... being nice to them and throwing money at them never works... maybe we can try this.

It's the New Haiti relief slogan

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What amazed my son when he was there last year was that no one lifted a finger to clean anything. There would be a heap of debris in the street and everyone just drove around it. He could see people sitting slumped on blocks of concrete that used to be part of a building. Not that they are lazy, but they are totally leaderless and lacking in incentive. "Why bother? What will it get me?" After Sandy, people were shell-shocked but already searching for belongings and moving debris and groups came in to clear roads, etc.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Haiti isn't part of the USA or one of its terrirories, they are responsible for their own personal hell thanks to institutionalized corruption....They speak French...that makes it Frances problem.

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Does this make the people of Louisiana who speak French, a problem for France?

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Besides...if they are so poor why do they keep breeeding so fast.

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What does this mean?

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Originally Posted by TUT317

Does this make the people of Louisiana who speak French, a problem for France?




What does this mean?

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There aren't many of them... and what few there are live in Alligator infested swamps.

What does it mean?. if you can't feed the kids you have now... stop having kids.

Something to remember...

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And Another...
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