Cal the Dems are very good at getting out the vote. Often in some Philladelphia districts it exceeds 100% of the registration rolls . That is what they are really objecting to.. the fact that any qualifications would be enforced.

I would love to see evidence of the fraud you keep talking about, but do question the methods and process employed by your putting qualifications in place. Maybe you don't intend hardship on those that are affected, but you don't address those hardships effectively either.

I mean ID cards even though they are supposed to be free in some areas have been anything but, and there has been enough evidence to support the fact that its been more a hardship than the problem it addresses, voter fraud!

Lack of follow through may be at the heart of this, as improper support of enacting such a law as requiring an ID without addressing underlying conditions of access which defeats the very purpose of the law.

Everyone should have an ID in today's world, with today's technology, I agree with that part, but to address the individual issues that has manifested itself requires the state to do more than just pass legislation.

This isn't left/right! But its easy to say its idealogical, and agenda driven, and undermines the importance of such a transition. I mean to throw out the baby with the bath water, is not an effective means of cleaning the tub.

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I would love to see evidence of the fraud you keep talking about, but do question the methods and process employed by your putting qualifications in place. Maybe you don't intend hardship on those that are affected, but you don't address those hardships effectively either.

I mean ID cards even though they are supposed to be free in some areas have been anything but, and there has been enough evidence to support the fact that its been more a hardship than the problem it addresses, voter fraud!

Lack of follow thru may be at the heart of this, as improper support of enacting such a law as requiring an ID without addressing underlying conditions of access which defeats the very purpose of the law.

Everyone should have an ID in todays world, with todays technology, I agree with that part, but to address the individual issues that has manifested itself requires the state to do more than just pass legislation.

This isn't left/right! But its easy to say its idealogical, and agenda driven, and undermines the importance of such a transition. I mean to throw out the baby with the bath water, is not an effective means of cleaning the tub.

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Tom addressed the hardships and we've both showed the fraud. You have no more excuses.

Its no excuse to point out that hardshipping almost a million people to stop a very few criminals is a good idea. And its no excuse to point out that your flaws need to be corrected, or adjusted.

Its no excuse right wing fears ruin your common sense and prevent you from seeing reality. Its sad really because the solutions and adjustments are fairly simple.

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Its no excuse to point out that hardshipping almost a milion people to stop a very few criminals is a good idea. And its no excuse to point out that your flaws need to be corrected, or adjusted.

Its no excuse right wing fears ruin your common sense and prevent you from seeing reality. Its sad really because the solutions and adjustments are fairly simple.

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Fallacy. Deal with facts. You like facts don't you?

Hello again,

Let me ask you this.. Let's say, like Florida in 2000, the entire presidential election winds up being in Pennsylvania's hands...

Pennsylvania has one of the strictest voter ID laws recently enacted. The problem in Pennsylvania, is that MANY of the recently disenfranchised voters don't know it. They'll show up at the polls on election day, only to be turned away. They're MOSTLY black.. There'll be LOTS of cameras...

Let's say Romney wins Pennsylvania by 1,000 votes... What do you think will happen?

excon

I expect you have some sort of court of disputed returns where a class action might be brought, but highly unlikely to change the result since it is only supposition as to how the voters might have voted perhaps we could expect rioting in the streets and organised protests but then maybe not

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perhaps we could expect rioting in the streets

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Hello again, clete:

I believe, that if the African American population watched the election being stolen from them right under their noses, they'll do more than take to the streets...

excon

FACTS

The attorney for the state arguing in court in support of the ID laws in PA. just submitted in a court submitted stipulation that they have NEVER investigated, prosecuted or know of any cases in the state of voter fraud. It should be noted that the GOVENOR, who was a former state prosecuter, never brought any voter fraud charges in his term as top attorney.

Pennsylvania Voter ID Law Trial Set To Begin As State Concedes It Has No Proof Of In-Person Voter Fraud

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Pennsylvania officials released a study finding that more than 758,000 registered voters in the state -- many of them in its urban center of Philadelphia -- lacked driver's licenses. While the law allows for a variety of other forms of identification to be used at polling places, the figure suggested that a large number of Pennsylvanians still didn't meet the criteria needed to cast ballots in the fall.

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We await the courts decision.

Looks like right wing BS to me!! Wonder what the rush is all about.

It is obviously a difficult case to prove in court. There is an active investigation in Philly about districts that voted over 100% of registered voters . Of course that investigation is being conducted by the Phily Democrat machine ;so you know where that's going .

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Hello again, clete:

I believe, that if the African American population watched the election being stolen from them right under their noses, they'll do more than take to the streets...

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That is a falorn hope, it took them a centiury to get off their butts and take what was theirs so another century later. I don't see any big deal on civil rights, and what does more than riots in the streets man, revolution, in your dreams! They can't do anything for themselves now. When you are down you are down, what part of that don't you understand?

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in your dreams! they can't do anything for themselves now. When you are down you are down, what part of that don't you understand?

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Hello again, clete:

Couple things..

I'm not HOPING for this event. I'm ANTICIPATING it.

So, even though they're down, you don't think they know how to light a match?? Dude!

excon

Get your riot shields out...

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Pennsylvania Judge Upholds Voter ID Law
By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS

A Pennsylvania judge on Wednesday refused to grant an injunction on a new voter identification law that Democrats say could harm President Obama’s re-election chances by unfairly targeting minorities, college students and others in a key swing state.

The decision by Robert Simpson, a commonwealth court judge, clears the way for Pennsylvania to require voters in the Nov. 6 general election to produce photo identification before they are allowed to cast ballots.

Opponents, who had challenged the law’s constitutionality, had asked Judge Simpson to delay the law’s imposition until after the election. Supporters say the law, variations of which have been passed in other states in recent years, is necessary to prevent voting fraud.

The Pennsylvania law was approved earlier this year by the State Legislature along party lines and signed into law in March by Gov. Tom Corbett, a Republican.

The American Civil Liberties Union is expected to appeal the decision to the State Supreme Court, which is split evenly between Democrats and Republicans. A tie would affirm the law.

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Courts just keep upholding these common sense voter ID laws. I guess the New Black Panthers will have to station more club-wielding intimidators at the polls this time around.

Maybe instead of doing the court thingy they should instead concentrate their efforts on getting everyone properly registered and id'ed

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Courts just keep upholding these common sense voter ID laws.

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Hello again, Steve:

I wouldn't be gloating just yet... There are higher courts than this one.

excon

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Maybe instead of doing the court thingy they should instead concentrate their efforts on getting everyone properly registered and id'ed

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But that would make sense and take away an avenue for expressing outrage. Libs can't cope without being outraged.

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Hello again, Steve:

I wouldn't be gloating just yet... There are higher courts than this one.

excon

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Yeah I know, maybe we'll hear from them in say, December.

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Yeah I know, maybe we'll hear from them in say, December.

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Hello again, Steve:

You really don't know how that works, do you? There will be a decision LONG before the election. As a matter of fact, if the state supreme court upholds the decision, then it goes to a federal appeals court, and if it fails there, it'll go to the Supreme Court..

Yes, that'll ALL happen before the election... In fact, the Supreme Court can decide to hear the case anytime it wants to, WITHOUT having to go through the appeals process.. Why would you think it wouldn't happen? Where the hell do you think we live?

excon

SCOTUS is out of session until October. That is the earliest they could hear the case. SCOTUS is on record upholding voter ID laws so I doubt they would hear the case unless it got over-turned in Fed Court. The most recent decision was 6-3 with Stevens writing the majority opinion in the Indiana case 2008. The Pa. law if anything is less imposing than other laws already upheld.

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Hello again, Steve:

You really don't know how that works, do you? There will be a decision LONG before the election.

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And then again, maybe not.