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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Compassionate Conservatism, Texas Style ? Progressive Nation

See my post here. Got it?

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One can enjoy a glass of fine wine with a meal. I can have some grated cheese on my pasta. Can you think of any benefits of smoking?

Got me salivating... a Nice Pasta ragu with freshly grated stravecchio Parmagianno cheese... And a nice Lambrusco.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

her meds were taken care of by the State of Texas, and a PRIVATE physician provided her long-term care

So who paid for the meds and the physician if you or her didn't?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

So who paid for the meds and the physician if you or her didn't?

Read the damn post.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Read the damn post.

I did. The state paid. So you got the other taxpayers to pay for your family's healthcare? Sounds like socialized medicine to me.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I did. The state paid. So you got the other taxpayers to pay for your family's healthcare? Sounds like socialized medicine to me.

After what I just posted, you still feel the need to be an a$$?

I don't understand. I'm not being an ***. You quoted an example that shows that socialized medicine has its place, it's not as bad as you try to make it out to be. I didn't bring up your daughter - you did. Now you're trying to turn the tables on this discussion. Sad.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I don't understand. I'm not being an ***. You quoted an example that shows that socialized medicine has its place, it's not as bad as you try to make it out to be. I didn't bring up your daughter - you did. Now you're trying to turn the tables on this discussion. Sad.

What's sad is you feel the need to provoke no matter what. You mock my state and after countering with a very personal example of the safety net working in my state, you make digs about socialized medicine. It was EXACTLY what excon said doesn't happen, with the epitome of compassion in the long term care a PRIVATE physician gave my daughter. Like I said, enough of this bullsh*t, I was right the first time.

It absolutely was not "provoking" no matter how you lay it out. If that event is that sensitive to you then don't bring it up. We all have loved ones and we all want them cared for - THAT's why Canadians love their system, for the same reasons that you enjoyed it when you need it.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

It was EXACTLY what excon said doesn't happen,

Hello again, Steve:

To be clear, I didn't say it DOESN'T happen. Certainly, we have compassionate and charitable people here. I said it's a system that people CANNOT count on, and doesn't work for everybody. As a result, people DIE! A LAW, on the other hand, CAN be counted upon.

excon

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

It absolutely was not "provoking" no matter how you lay it out. If that event is that sensitive to you then don't bring it up. We all have loved ones and we all want them cared for - THAT's why Canadians love their system, for the same reasons that you enjoyed it when you need it.

I'm past being sensitive about my daughter's situation, NK. The point is I was right the first time and I have the ultimate example, so enough already.

Right about what? The state paying for someone's care?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

So why doesn't everyone do that then?

A lot of people do... seriously, if you HAVE to go to the emergency room... they are FULL and you would wait hours, but a life threatening event does get treated ASAP. Because they do Triage patients. Most there are not insured.

I've been into one three times for anaphylaxis. A doctor saw me inside of 3 minutes of walking in despite full waiting room. Obviously due to that being very urgent type of condition. I did have insurance but that wasn't dealt with until after I was treated. It wasn't a condition FOR getting treated.

Its not like some people portray... if you don't have insurance you will die in the gutter. The Reality is you get needed emergency treatment... what you don't get is routine exams etc...

And I did have a family member that lost his job and insurance had a ruptured appendix... spent a month in the hospital due to complications... he had no assets then and they dropped the bill as a result.

If you listen to the liberal talking points and they were true... he would have died. The reality is far different.

Life threatening stuff is taken care of... its the other stuff you won't get unless you have some means to pay for it. Call it a minimum of care IS provided now.

Canada has its fair share of problems paying for its program... and a lot of rationing of what is routine stuff to us. Like elective surgeries are usually done in days at most... not weeks or months. No waiting list for artificial joints, or pacemakers (outside of medically required delays), and you don't have to get a medical board to approve it first here.

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Originally Posted by excon

To be clear, I didn't say it DOESN'T happen. Certainly, we have compassionate and charitable people here. I said it's a system that people CANNOT count on, and doesn't work for everybody. As a result, people DIE! A LAW, on the other hand, CAN be counted upon.

To be clear you said, "You don't get LONG TERM treatment." I proved that wrong.

To be clear you said, "People who don't have insurance and who need LONG TERM treatment, in this country, DIED before this health care law." My daughter had no insurance, no money and the system not only SAVED her life, she's still with us today. In the local community hospital, her CD4 count was 4, she had pneumonia, CMV, hepatitis C, kidney failure and she was unconscious. That's for starters.

To be clear you said, "They suffered the nations DEATH PANEL." Not so.

To be clear you said, "You don't get cancer treatment in the emergency room... " After discharge my daughter also received cancer treatments and still does.

To be clear you said, "You don't get your appendix taken out in the emergency room... You DIE if you need that stuff. How is it, that you DON'T know that?? "

I showed you how I know you're wrong. 'Nuff said.

P.S. Health care you can get, cheese you can get. It's potatoes you can't get.

So one person who got state sponsored treatment is proof that all people get long term treatment? Is that all the proof we all need to make any point we need to make - find one person?

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So one person who got state sponsored treatment is proof that all people get long term treatment? Is that all the proof we all need to make any point we need to make - find one person?

The president likes to use a poster child, at least my example is true.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I showed you how I know you're wrong. 'Nuff said.

Hello again, Steve:

No, it's not nuff said. Your personal anecdote, while heartwarming, is NOT indicative of what happens to the public at large... I'm addressing THAT stuff.

Unless, of course, you're saying that because it happened to you, that it happens to EVERYBODY. I think you ARE saying that. We don't agree.

excon

We can disagree, but you said flat out that before Obamacare Americans that needed health care were out of luck and that is not true. Do some slip through the cracks? Sure, but they are not all sentenced to "death panels," which were your words.

My daughter is an example of the excellent, lifesaving, long term care - including regular exams and dental - available in THIS community in this state. Your community and your state may have "death panels," but mine doesn't (and I doubt yours does either).

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you said flat out that before Obamacare Americans that needed health care were out of luck and that is not true.

Hello again, Steve:

Ok, I'll fix it. Before Obamacare, Americans that needed health care were MOSTLY out of luck, and that is true.

But, it's not about numbers. It shouldn't be about MOST people, or SOME people, or LUCKY people. It should be about ALL people, and that's what the law does (or soon will).

excon