Athos, take your meds and go to bed. You've gone off the rails.
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Athos, take your meds and go to bed. You've gone off the rails.
As a PK and long-time Sunday school and adult Bible class teacher, I cannot begin to imagine how you would weave Athos' response into a Christian youth group presentation without sounding like a crybaby.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yes, I'm sure you can't.Quote:
I cannot begin to imagine how you would weave Athos' response into a Christian youth group presentation without sounding like a crybaby.
Hahahaha - Thank you for revealing your nastiness again. It's reassuring.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Running off with tail between legs?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Actually, I was agreeing with her. I'm sure she cannot imagine how to use such a resource. After all, she said she couldn't. It is priceless material. Please keep the spring flowing!!Quote:
Running off with tail between legs?
And you can't read and comprehend. What I don't understand is how YOU could weave Athos' response into a Christian youth presentation without sounding like a crybaby. "Wah, wah, that mean man was bullying me again last night on a discussion board." I'm sure those youth have a lot more on the ball than you give them credit for. They'll still be snickering as they leave that presentation.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Can't you see that I'm agreeing with you? You don't understand, but I do, so relax. Material like that is priceless.Quote:
What I don't understand is how YOU could weave Athos' response into a Christian youth presentation without sounding like a crybaby.
Reading comprehension is a learned skill. Please work on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So are thinking and using imagination. Work on them.
If you really want priceless material, try picking up a Bible and reading the Gospels. You might learn something, which you can present to your youth group.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Thank you for the advice. I'm going through the NT for about the fiftieth time right now. I'll soon be to Matthew 25, the passage you do not believe.
And your advice above is more priceless material. You who don't accept the Bible as authoritative is advising someone to read it. Keep it up!!
What does that mean to you, accepting the Bible as authoritative?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It means it takes precedence over other opinions;
Is there a God, the Bible says there is
Does Jesus exist, the Bible says he does
Is man flawed and in need of redemption, the Bible insists this is so
Is redemption available through belief in Jesus, the Bible says it is
These and many other answers are found in the authoritative text of the Bible
Very good answer.
I think it's perfectly fine for true believers to consider their religious books as authoritative. It's just as fine if they do not as well.
You can't have it both ways Tal
What exactly is the "authoritative text"?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Why not? Who decides which way and to what degree they decide how authoritative their religious book is?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Or how one practices their faith in general?
All excellent questions. I'm interested in what is the authoritative text. You mentioned it, too. I'm sure for paraclete it's the Bible, but I'm interested in which edition/version/language etc., etc. etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Here is the one authoritative text you should take notice of; Jesus said "noone comes to the father but through me", that means all the other books don't have the same authorityQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Athos, There are some paraphrases, but I use the NIV and the ESV and because there is only one language I understand, an english text. I don't use the KJV although many verses that come to mind can be found there, but the language is archaic and therefore not clear to me. I once ran a Christian bookshop so I am well aware of the differences in the various texts but if you use a parallel Bible you will find the differences are fewQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
I wonder if the same applies for India, Asia, Africa, and other non English countries around the world, given both ancient and modern dialects and language additions and advances over time.
The imperfection of man would seem to allow for imperfect translation and close is good enough?
The accurate transmission of the NT over the centuries was amazingly good. Estimates of the correct wording of the text ranges from 95% up to 98%, and even at that the relatively small portion in question is generally not doctrinally critical. There is, for instance, the latter half of the 16th chapter of Mark. Lose that, and it effects our understanding of the truth of the Gospel message scarcely at all. Same thing is true of the story of the woman caught in adultery. Might add that there has been no effort to conceal any of this. The NASB, for instance, highlights any of those areas of concern for all to see.Quote:
The imperfection of man would seem to allow for imperfect translation and close is good enough?
Back to the economy, job growth in May was the best ever. Even CNBC had to praise this recovery. "Employment stunningly rose by 2.5 million in May and the jobless rate declined to 13.3%, according to data Friday from the Labor Department that was far better than economists had been expecting and indicated that an economic turnaround could be close at hand.Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had been expecting payrolls to drop by 8.33 million and the unemployment rate to rise to 19.5% from April’s 14.7%. If Wall Street expectations had been accurate, it would have been the worst figure since the Great Depression.
As it turned out, May’s numbers showed the U.S. may well be on the road to recovery after its fastest plunge in history."
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/05/jobs...-may-2020.html
Thanks for reply. By "authoritative text" I thought you meant a particular version. But, if I understand you, you are saying there are two "authoritative texts"? Did you initially mean to say two?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
In any case, your answer creates further questions. (This is NOT a challenge to your belief - just trying to figure out your meaning). Would the English text of NIV or ESV be more authoritative than other English versions? You mentioned you only read English, so does that mean Bibles in other languages that you can't read are therefore less authoritative - or are you simply saying authoritative for you, not everybody?
Would your preferred versions be more authoritative than Bibles closer in time and language to the original versions?
Actually, the differences from the originals and ancient copies due to so many copyists over the centuries are many, but I agree they they are mostly insignificant for purposes of faith. But that's not the issue here. I'm trying to find out if there is a single authoritative text accepted by the majority of Christians regardless of language.Quote:
I don't use the KJV although many verses that come to mind can be found there, but the language is archaic and therefore not clear to me. I once ran a Christian bookshop so I am well aware of the differences in the various texts but if you use a parallel Bible you will find the differences are few
PS - Please see #211 on Manifestation thread as reply to you on different but related subject. I assume you missed it.
Do you mean an English text, or NT Greek?
When it comes to the money, good news is good news, but on our way may take a few more of these good news announcements before we really can celebrate. LOL, we should have something good going after pumping trillions into peoples pockets!Quote:
As it turned out, May’s numbers showed the U.S. may well be on the road to recovery after its fastest plunge in history."
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/05/jobs...-may-2020.html
That is certainly true. Still, it was a stunning and unexpected development.Quote:
but on our way may take a few more of these good news announcements before we really can celebrate.
For most people, it was a total waste of borrowed money that will burden our grandchildren til the day they die. We should all, dems and repubs, hang our heads in shame. It was little more than an attempt to get votes.Quote:
LOL, we should have something good going after pumping trillions into peoples pockets!
A bi partisan attempt for sure, but that amount of money had to help the numbers somehow, at least in the short term.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Could be. We'll see, but check with your grandkids in thirty or forty years and see how they view it.
Glad you think I'll be around for that. 8D
Could be! I don't know, though. My dear father lived to 101, but the final couple of years were kind of tough, and the final few months were really difficult. I miss him a lot, but I don't regret his passing. It was time. I know where he is.
How much of the debt is being paid by us now?
None. We are only paying the interest. We are borrowing more and more, not repaying.
Then logically the generation holding the ball this generation has made will be the one cussing our incompetence. Print more money, and save the future people from doing it, and they can make their own debts if they didn't learn from our mistakes!
Print more money = jack up inflation.
So what, something or somebody has to eventually get jacked.
Or we could learn to do the responsible thing and pay for what we want.
HOW? CUT WHAT? Pay with what money? How much? How LONG? What are you willing to give up?
You do realize it's coming sooner or later. When the economy falls apart due to an excessive debt load, then the choices we face now will seem tame.Quote:
HOW? CUT WHAT? Pay with what money? How much? How LONG? What are you willing to give up?
What to cut? Everything. Start with 15% across the board.
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