It can be gone over, under, and around.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Also, it would block migrating animals, family get-togethers, and business efforts. And building it on US land would prevent our access to and use of the Rio Grande.
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It can be gone over, under, and around.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Also, it would block migrating animals, family get-togethers, and business efforts. And building it on US land would prevent our access to and use of the Rio Grande.
Just as prison walls allow for controlled access into and out of the prison, I think we can come up with a wall that would do the same, as opposed to the current situation of uncontrolled entrance resulting in hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants each year. Now as for all those many thousands of family get-togethers in the middle of nowhere next to the river, I guess we might lose some of those.Quote:
Also, it would block migrating animals, family get-togethers, and business efforts. And building it on US land would prevent our access to and use of the Rio Grande.
Face it. If Obama had suggested a wall, you would be all for it. The problem with the wall is the fact that Trump came up with the idea.
My opinion would be the same no matter WHO thinks it's a good idea. It's a STUPID idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Putting a wall down there will keep us in (like the prisons you are so fond of mentioning), and will not keep "them" out. Oh, and where do you plan to build that wall -- on the US side of the river????
A wall can be gotten under, over, and around. (Ask those prisoners you write about.) And there are always boats. Maybe "they" will begin to land in Mississippi, and that state can build a wall.
If you can't think of a better idea than the dufus, you're in big trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
They don't have a wall, they have a barbed wire fence, with sensors, and shoot to kill guardsQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan–Russia_border
Let's clarify this before it gets ridiculous, a wall has been part of planning for years, it is not an exclusive Trump idea, in fact, Trump doesn't appear to have original ideas. He uses hyperbole, exaggeration, to make a point.
So you're saying that's what we should do on our southern border?Quote:
They don't have a wall, they have a barbed wire fence, with sensors, and shoot to kill guards
As I said, until you shoot someone, you don't have an eppective BorderQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Let's do the humane thing. Build the wall.
We have a barrier, we just need an effective humane way to process them. Amazing how we dealt with migration for generations, and now we seem to have forgotten. Save the building for schools, roads, and a brand new power grid that serves us through THIS century.
If we have a barrier, it is the most ineffective, porous barrier imaginable. The prediction is for close to a million illegal crossings just this year alone.
Why on earth do we need a brand new power grid? And do you really think the 10 bil projected for the wall will build all the roads and schools we need?
Build the wall. Get on with it.
Priorities dude. Most of us are not threatened by brown people fleeing bad situations, but our kids and grandkids have needs to be addressed. They deserve the best we can give them and a start on better things. Your wall is but a distraction from THAT priority.
Like the dufus will be happy with 10 billion bucks even after repubs deficit trillion dollar tax cuts for the rich. He will keep coming back for more and we BOTH know that.
Fact: 396,579 people were caught illegally crossing the border in the year ending September 30, 2018.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Source: U.S. Customs and Border Patrol
Hard to believe it will be a million. And illegal immigrants pay taxes but don't get government help.
Fact: Two-thirds of the recent unauthorized immigrant population entered the U.S. on valid visas, then stayed in the country after that visa expired.
Source: Center for Migration Studies
You do understand such a project would take YEARS, even if you had the votes in congress... which OBVIOUSLY you don't. Even repubs have doubts about the Dufus plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Their children certainly get benefits. They are also eligible for workmen's comp, emergency med care, and WIC benefits.Quote:
Hard to believe it will be a million. And illegal immigrants pay taxes but don't get government help.
Suppose it is merely half a million. Is that supposed to make us feel better?
Can you verify what you say are facts? The guidelines for those benefits are fairly strict for eligibility, and necessary for CHILDREN. You do have to sign up for them so how illegal can the parents be?
How does your wall address the flaws in our system?
"The law includes important exceptions for certain types of services. Regardless of their status, not-qualified immigrants are eligible for emergency Medicaid if they are otherwise eligible for their state’s Medicaid program. The law does not restrict access to public health programs that provide immunizations and/or treatment of communicable disease symptoms (whether or not those symptoms are caused by such a disease). School breakfast and lunch programs remain open to all children regardless of immigration status, and every state has opted to provide access to the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC)."
The children can certainly attend public schools.
https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic...igfedprograms/
As to the workman's comp, that is evidently a state by state decision. Many states allow illegals to get WC.
How does the wall address flaws? It prevents illegal immigrants from simply strolling across the border. I would say that's about the biggest, largest, most humongous flaw in the system.
You don't need a wall for that, just adequate processing system to deal with the bottleneck of people at points of entry, and a walk through southern deserts is hardly a stroll. It's a very dangerous life threatening journey.
All kids in OUR country should be in a school, fed well, taken care of, and immunized against disease. Legal or not!
Those illegal immigrants will pick your crops, reroof your house, build your garage, and even wipe your butt in the nursing home. And for how much per hour????
Are we talking minimum wage now?
Build the wall. Let them enter legally with a green card. They can work all they want.
I'm all for these immigrants. Sometimes I think they are more American than a lot of people who were born here. They work hard, but they are ILLEGALLY in the country. For those of us who actually believe in the rule of law, that is not a good thing.
I think the ONLY reason the average democrat politician is for a blanket amnesty is that they see a potential new voting block. They don't care about these people. They talk a lot, but if you look at what they have done personally, with their own money (of which they typically have a lot), they have done nothing.
Now, let's talk about Republican voting blocs and what they promised. Republican politicians don't care about these people. They talk a lot, but if you look at what they have done personally, with their own money (of which they typically have a lot), they have done nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
We were promised a wall. Trump is fighting for a wall. We were promised Supreme Court justices who believe in the Constitution. Trump is fighting for that. He is pro-life and pro-Israel. The one great area he is missing is in balancing the budget.Quote:
Now, let's talk about Republican voting blocs and what they are promised. Republican politicians don't care about these people. They talk a lot, but if you look at what they have done personally, with their own money (of which they typically have a lot), they have done nothing.
Still, your comment is a somewhat fair one. Most politicians seem most interested in being re-elected.
I simply stole your words and switched party names.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I understood that. My reply was to illustrate I don't completely agree with you. It is not typically repubs that love to illustrate their charitable inclinations by spending the money of other people.Quote:
I simply stole your words and switched party names.
No. The repubs hoard their money and buy fun stuff like islands and planes (to fly to their islands) and college admissions for their kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
First of all, if it's their money, then why would it be your business or my business what they do with it? Second, if anyone really believes that the typical Republican owns an island and an airplane (and of course you really don't believe that), then he/she need to seek help immediately. I know a lot of republicans, and I can say that none of them owns an island or an airplane. Most of them, like me and I imagine you, drive a several years old car and have worked their entire life to accumulate what they have. For that reason, they (and I) dislike the tendency of liberals to want to spend our money in order to demonstrate their charitable superiority.Quote:
No. The repubs hoard their money and buy fun stuff like islands and planes (to fly to their islands) and college admissions for their kids.
Typical Republican? Where did "typical" come from?
actually that would be liberal hollywierdo elites . Did anyone catch the irony of Elizbeth Warren saying she had zero sympathy for the cheaters ? You would think she would have at least 1/1024 sympathy .Quote:
No. The repubs hoard their money and buy fun stuff like islands and planes (to fly to their islands) and college admissions for their kids.
Typical. You know, sort of like "average" or "one who is a representative example". Kind of like what you meant when you said repubs have airplanes so they can fly to their private islands. If that is not what you meant, then your writing needs to become much more exact.Quote:
Typical Republican? Where did "typical" come from?
I hope you realize that some of what I write is in jest, such as you needing to be more exact. Unfortunately, there are no smiley faces we can attach to our posts to make that an obvious thing.
They had to delay sentencing for Gates and Flynn AGAIN because they aren't through cooperating.
"Cooperating" as in saying anything and everything in order to get a lighter sentence.
After all this, two years of spending multiple millions of dollars and Maxine Waters practically developing heart disease, there is nothing to indicate collusion with Russia, so now they have to start investigating anyone and anything that even smells like it might be sufficient to bring the hated Trump down. What a sorry spectacle of a once respectable democracy.
Yes a sorry spectacle
If repubs, who spent millions investigating Hillary, after a bi partisan report that was enacted, had done their oversight DUTY, we wouldn't be here. While I concede that cheating is not a good thing, the dufus is caught cheating and he tried to cover it up, unlike the leach Bill who all they caught him on is CHEAING on Hillary. He paid the cost of impeachment, and just on that so must the dufus!
Fair is fair, and let the chips fall where they fall! The Clinton investigation costs MILLIONS, and all you got was lying about a BJ.
I have no idea what you are talking about. BC was not brought up for impeachment for cheating on his wife, but for lying to a grand jury.Quote:
If repubs, who spent millions investigating Hillary, after a bi partisan report that was enacted, had done their oversight DUTY, we wouldn't be here. While I concede that cheating is not a good thing, the dufus is caught cheating and he tried to cover it up, unlike the leach Bill who all they caught him on is CHEAING on Hillary. He paid the cost of impeachment, and just on that so must the dufus!
About cheating on his wife.
if cheating on his wife means perjury to a Grand Jury regarding the sexual harassment of Paula Jones ;andthe nature and details of his relationship with Monica Lewinsky , a subordinate Government employee…….the perjury related to Federal civil rights cases against him in the matter....the numerous attempted cover up including suborning perjury and witness tampering ,then yes it was about cheating on his wife.
Good for the goose..
Which goose is that, seems to be a lot of them
Way back in the day the right investigated the Clintons every business action and found only his lying about his dalliances. Now history repeats itself somewhat, so seems fitting and proper the dufus endure the same scrutiny, but the right calls it a deep state conspiracy, strangely reminiscent of the right wing conspiracy talk of the Clinton era. It's like a remake of an old story playing out for this generation.
A made for cable mini series of drama and intrigue in the highest level of government. The dufus is the star and revels in his fan base, while his critics (ME) find his character and intent bereft of any good orderly direction, and has crossed the lines of good behavior many times. Still though it's but a fascinating distraction for the real world lack of good governing required to achieve a good path forward for the country.
The right loves his show though, and until they don't chances are it won't be cancelled any time soon.
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