Putin has trumped Obama. He has told him the consequences of attacking Syria. It is about time someone told america to mind their own business
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Putin has trumped Obama. He has told him the consequences of attacking Syria. It is about time someone told america to mind their own business
Maybe China and Russia need to mind their own business as well... our problem is one half black blohard.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Half whiteQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Toe MAY toe... toe MAH toe...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Whether he is a half breed or not, he should have had the opportunity to unite your nation not divide it but the question isn't anything to do with your internal politics, it has to do with who's law rules, the law of international treaties or the law of the jungle. Syria is not bound by any convention on the use of lethal gas so all you can do is expel it from the UN and take such santions as is possible but you can't use lethal force
He had the opportunity... but the man was too stupid to avail himself of it. He acted like a petty thin skinned punk... with a pathological NEED to get revenge for every perceived slight. Which he started before he ever got elected by throwing every reporter that didn't speak glowingly of every word he spoke off the campaign jet.
No, we certainly don't want to repeat history. Thank goodness, Obama doesn't have to avenge his daddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Well he thinks he has to avenge someone
The whole premise of his political life is based on that premise. I've read 'Dreams From My Father'... his auto-bio ghost written by Bill Ayers . The major factor influencing the emperor's actions and policies is his anti-colonialist mindset, which he inherited from his father. He sees America and just another colonial power that has to be brought down to size.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
He's doing a good job of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Exactly why stop himQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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Originally Posted by smoothy
Would that be a 50/50 split? Perhaps a 65/35, or better still a 60/40.
Why does it matter. The last think any one wants is an extremeist victory in Syria, where we are confused is we don't want a shiite victory either
If the international community balks at condemning the use of gas by Assad, then we have no international community. It's a sham. Even if you are against military intervention, what's stopping leaders across the world from giving voice in strong terms publicly to this atrocity?
Then why hasn't the emperor taken his case before the UN ? Even in to worse days of the cold war ,when we knew every resolution would get a Soviet veto ,the US would bring up issues like this for debate. Why isn't Kerry there presenting the evidence ?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
But you hate the UN, why do they suddenly matter?Quote:
then why hasn't the emperor taken his case before the UN
Don't ask me... Tal is the one who made the comment that the international community is a "sham" . I think the UN is a feckless organization . But I thought all those who revere it would at least use it in cases like this . Heck ,even your hated GW Bush had enough of a decent respect to the opinions of mankind that he went before the UN to argue his case for the invasion of Iraq. J F'n Kerry ;when he was a Vietnam war protester ,argued that US troops should never be deployed without UN approval . So I ask again ;why hasn't the emperor taken his case before the UN ?
The Russians are like the conservatives here... obstructionist. But no doubt the Russians will be presented with all kinds of facts. Seems if Putin were the tough guy he wants the world to believe a simple "cool it with the gas you idiot!". Hell he could text that and save us all this BS!!
And Tom this issue is before the UN, and has been for a while but those sissies from the other countries are afraid to rattle a few cages in public.
My question is when will the American people be presented with the FACTS ? Monday Congress is back in session .With or without a resolution the emperor will make a national address on Tuesday to let us know it's bombs away on Wednesday ,Sept 11.
Tom why do you have a government? So that the people you elected can sift the facts and formulate a course of action. You want the people to know everything, but without a vast body of knowledge they can't discern it. BO has decided to place the matter for debate, this is a correct course of action even if failing to abide by a UN decision is not.
You can't do anything in Syria without shifting the balance in favour of the rebels, the very people who are opposed to you. Learn the lesson of Iraq and leave it alone
I don't disagree except you are wrong about Iraq . After VI Day we had an agreement with a duly elected Iraqi government that was not perfect ;but on it's way to power sharing . After we left our security commitments on the table and decided to cut and run ,the current adm had little choice but to court Tehran for protection.
More B/S it was obvious that the shiites would reach out to Iran and that was probable in any event, all you did in Iraq was to disturb the balance of power in the ME. You needed Saddam even though he was an embarrassment to keep Iran in check, You gave them Iraq on a platter and embolden them. You were just Saudi lackeys in Iraq and you can't see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I stand by what I wrote above . We will never know how things would've worked out if we didn't cut and run. I'll tell you one thing that would be different though .Iran would not be using Iraq as a land route to supply Assad with weapons and Qod forces . I'll tell you something else. There would not be an al Nusra Front in Syria infiltrating into the country from Iraq because by 2008 AQ was defeated in Iraq .
OK how about explaining how us going into Iraq was handing the country over to Iran while at the same time we were being lackeys for the Saudis . You contradicted yourself in one paragraph.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
AQ isn't defeatable. It's a stateless, multinational movement and operates like the Energizer bunny.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It was defeated in Iraq and yes it is defeatable .By 2008 there was no safe haven for AQ in Iraq. All we needed to do to maintain that status was to keep the security arrangement we had with the elected government in place.
"elected government"Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And that could have been done how?
LOL, a small contingent of 20,000 troops were going to stop Iranians from running through Iraq to Syria?? REALLY!! Marines are good, but not that good. The deal breaker was our guys had to be subject to the Iraqi authority.
So it wasn't cut and run, it was No Way!!
The Obots blew the negotiations.
Yes elected government.. in fact there were 2 successful elections before the emperor's reign. There was power sharing arrangements ,and although the Shia obviously dominated the government , both the Kurd and the Sunnis were represented and had officials appointed and elected at the highest levels of the government.
But now we have a resurgent AQ in Iraq again trying to foment civil war there ,brutalizing the Sunni areas they occupy ;and sending jihadists across the border to fight in Syria.They call themselves al Nusra front . The Obots call them allies.
You were being lackeys by fighting a Saudi war, they feared Saddam, by defeating him you removed the barrier to shiite ascendency in Iraq and obviously Iranian influence. You just don't understand that other nations have entirely different agendas to youQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
All you are proving is you don't know your arse from your apexQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
All I know is the people making the decisions on this are busy playing video poker and golf.
Well you might be right the whole thing seems like a plot from a video game
And we STILL haven't heard how John Kerry got out of his one year tour of duty in Vietnam after only 4 months.
And after his anti-war rants after that... why should anyone believe a word he has to say about anything.
But he wants to make amends by leading the country to war from the safety of the White House
Didn't work so well for Obama... and its not going ot work for him either.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Every time someone in the Obama administration opens their mouth about something... they make something worse than it was.
After all... Obama isn't qualified to do much of anything.. except write fiction books... and everyone in his administration thus far has been even less qualified than he is.
Kerry threw down the gauntlet... "hand over all your weapons" or face an "unbelievably small" attack... you have one week to comply .Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Hello tom:
Because it's a teeny, tiny, limited strike, NOT designed to DO anything, is the reason I'm against it..Quote:
"hand over all your weapons" or face an "unbelievably small" attack... you have one week to comply .
They oughta send a Tomahawk into Assad's bedroom, and then DESTROY his air force...
Excon
Then the Hammas, Al Queada or Iran backed rebels will take over the country... a fate far worse than Assad for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Like I've said... there is no good solution here... only worse ones.
Coming from that coward... I bet they are laughing right now...Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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