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Oh come on, the charter schools they were sending some of those scholarship kids to were underperforming. Just ask the students how old the earth is and you get the idea. Look up performance of charter schools in Louisiana and you will see what I mean.
I know facts mean nothing when a good bash is to be had by the wingers.
In other words, you're idea of choice doesn't extend to things like healthcare and education.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Choice is great based on facts and not just feelings, and why should the feds fund a program in states that go to private for profit corporations that don't teach the students enough to further their education. There have been certification and performance issues for more than 3 years at some of these schools, Speech.
All I said was look it up.
And all I'm saying is what's it to you if someone dares choose something besides public education?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Im not sure what your complaining about ? You don't like it when they educate children of color ?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Louisiana BAEO | Black Alliance for Educational Options
BAEO Applauds CREDO Study on Performance of Charter Schools in Louisiana
The Black Alliance for Educational Options (BAEO) was pleased to learn of the findings of the Charter School Performance in Louisiana study released today by the Center for Research on Education Outcomes (CREDO) showing that Black students, in particular Black students from low-income families, perform better in charter schools than their counterparts in traditional public schools (TPS).
Treating poor kids as a commodity is not an option. Some do, and its documented. Look it up!!!
Not saying all private schools are bad, but clearly some are worse than others, and its NOT confined to just Louisiana. And what do you do with the kids who don't get those scholarships?
That part is obvious. You use it as a wake up call and since the student pool is now lower you can make up the difference by smaller class sizes and more emphisis on education. You know. The old fashioned way when going to school actually meant getting an education and not just some social experiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And all I'm saying is what's it to you if someone dares choose something besides public education?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
While I appreciate the link to real data, bears out what I have been saying, some charters are doing a great job, some are not. I was never against the ones with good result and have said so more than a few times, but your answer to the ones who cannot qualify for such choices cdad, is both narrow minded, and naïve, and fails miserably to recognize factors that go beyond just a social experiment. Its more inflicted social erosion than you would admit too.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
I might have missed it but how many of those charter kids enrolling colleges? I will review it again.
Because Speech, throwing away those that cannot have that choice is totally unacceptable. Public schools still should be about the kids whatever the challenge. Maybe that will change if they build more GREAT performing charter schools, but for now public schools still have to meet needs of kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I do understand that the system is broken. What I dont agree with is the methods being used today to correct it. It seems that instead of monitoring the bell curve and pushing students to the highest points what I percieve is they mostly shoot for the low spots and hold back the achievers.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
After all this atitude of fairness is a self created utopia. Life itself isnt fair. Im not saying to leave children behind. Im saying give them the proper tools to achieve thier highest point. That may or may not be college. But give them skills to last a lifetime while you have thier attention.
Programs like basic math - learning to handle finances and how to balance a checkbook, or home economics were truely valuable for learning something that you can take with you through life. Removing programs like valdadictorian for those that do rise up is just sad.
As far as your questions on college graduation goes Here is some light reading when you have time.
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I dont have all the answers but what I see now flat out scares me. We are falling further behind the rest of the world and not just as a social norm but also the educational processes that we have ongoing.
And the poorly and badly educated generation is teaching the next generation, so we slowly move down the scale.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
yes the golden age is in the past nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Why are we? And what's the fix?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
My husband and I were discussing the "why" this evening. We remember memorizing tons of stuff including times tables, poetry, Bible verses, quotations. We remember doing homework appropriate to the lessons taught during the school day. We remember having handwriting and geography and art and music class. We remember recess and gym class and lunch periods, eating in the classroom with our teacher. We remember one standardized test every spring. Where did that all go?
to coin an old saying blown in the windQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Someone devised a theory that we should stroke the egos of the young and make them feel self important, such self important individuals came to know that everything will be provided and you don't need to know anything
Yup. And instead of bigger school cranking out grads like they're on an assembly line, let's go back to small schools, making for more teaching jobs (after we train the teachers and choose them well) and better individualized and group instruction. But then, back in my day, bullying was uncommon, no one had peanut allergies, and girls didn't get pregnant until they were married women. I guess I'm unrealistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
not at all in some societies that is still so, it requires discipline, the other ingredient that is missing
You didn't really just say something to me about "throwing away" kids. Irony alert.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Tal, the answer is certainly not forcing at risk children to stay in a bad school when they have a chance at something better.
The latest slide down the ladder is called "Common Core " indoctination (from section 'Possessive Nouns'):Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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5. The commands of government officials must be obeyed by all.
Government officials' commands must be obeyed by all.
6. The wants of an individual are less important than the well-being of the nation.
An individual's wants are less important than the nation's well-being.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactiv...ent-worksheet/
Using grammar to indoctrinate. Hey, while we're teaching them how to construct a sentence let's just fill their heads with progressive muck.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Where did Fox get that slideshow? Who uses it in schools?
Is it part of a news report, if so where is it?
It looks like there is a small copyright on the left hand side of the first page. It looks like it came from Pearson Education Inc.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You might want to check there for more information but they seem to be the origination point.
But who actually uses that in any schools?
it's one of those standardized tests people love.
Im not sure who is using it you would have to refer to the originator of the documents. But if you go to the last page it refers to a dvd of some sort and from the symbols it seems to be either home schoolers or some part of a education extension program.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
"But Pearson Education tells Fox News that this worksheet was copyrighted in 2007 and has been in use ever since—predating Common Core. And Pearson is far from the only curriculum vendor out there. Besides, controversy over politicized education started far before Common Core came along to cause a fuss."
I don't agree with that content either.
Indeed ,liberal indoctination was certainly part of the curriculum when I was going through the public education system. Thankfully in my formative years the Catholics taught some of the basal and basic fact based education and methods that WG described .Quote:
Besides, controversy over politicized education started far before Common Core came along to cause a fuss.
Yes we had to memorize . The concepts behind the facts came later .
Funny how you lament it but usually when you hold a captain of industry in high regard they invariably have all had the same education. It always astounds me how impotent conservatives are at making any changes to the US educational system that they abhor so much.
you see the howling at the moon reaction by the 'progressives' when it's tried
Those with money have greater value than those without. They are shills for the rich few, and too bad for the have not's. But the conundrum they find themselves in is all those poor people in their conservative enclaves hate the largess of the rich too, but is the voter base they need most.
They holler loudly about liberal education, but look at what they have done with their conservative education in parts of the country they have controlled for decades. The southern states are the poorest in the country, even when the money was flowing.
They blame everyone but themselves.
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How many links do you want, I have a bunch from various sources. Speaking of a$$s, have you checked what comes out of yours?
How exactly is this alleged conservative education in the south the root cause? That would be the point you need to back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
How is a "liberal" education the cause of any issues you mention? How was that proven?
I'm not the one linking education to the plight of Americans so I have nothing to prove. He did and he does have something to prove. Try and keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Seems you did. It's the whole premise of your thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
There's no data there that shows that the education is "liberal" nor that it is the cause of the low scores. Did I miss something?
They're your base, your territory, you explain why they are so poor.
My friend, I don't ask you to back up arguments you didn't make, that's silly. You made the connection, time to back it up or retract.Quote:
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They holler loudly about liberal education, but look at what they have done with their conservative education in parts of the country they have controlled for decades. The southern states are the poorest in the country, even when the money was flowing.
While Tal is looking for connections to how conservative education in the south makes people poor, is like to point out that one of the president's favorite programs to help poor children doesn't work. A study released by HHS conveniently after the election shows Pre-K and Head Start to be failures.
New Evidence Raises Doubts on Obama's Preschool For All
In fact, children who did not attend pre-k generally fared better. So naturally what does the president who wants "effective" programs for poor children do after this study? Call for more of it, to which a dutiful Congress proposed last week, universal pre-k.
Why should we keep pouring money into programs that don't work and in fact may cause more harm than good? I'm guessing it's part of that your children don't belong to you thing. Gotta get 'em out of the parental sphere and get a "head start" on that indoctrination?
the younger they are ,the easier to indoctrinate and program.
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