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OK Genius, then tell us what the real downfall of Detroit was.
Decline of Detroit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Detroit Bankrupt: To See Detroit's Decline, Look at 40 Years Of Federal Policy
BBC NEWS | Business | The decline of Detroit
We got a winner !Quote:
40 Years Of Federal Policy
Loss of middle class wage jobs chiefly in manufacturing, and the transition to minimum wage jobs that have to be subsidized by the safety net. The trickle down economics was turned off in 2007, and hasn't been turned back on since.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
This has been the trend for the last 30 years and finally has come to roost in the collapse of middle income wage earners everywhere, leading to a shrinking economic base that can sustain even the basic needs of the global populations.
In short the circulation of capital has been seriously constrained on a global level. I will assign no blame at this time nor bore you with partisan BS, but Detroit is but a symbol of what's happening all over the place.
37. Richard Milhous Nixon Republican 1969-1974Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
38. Gerald R. Ford Republican 1974-1977
39. James Earl Carter, Jr. Democrat 1977-1981
40. Ronald Wilson Reagan Republican 1981-1989
41. George H. W. Bush Republican 1989-1993
42. William Jefferson Clinton Democrat 1993-2001
43. George W. Bush Republican 2001-2009
44. Barack Obama Democrat
You mean corrupt Democrats, political cronyism, out of control spending, regulatory hell and unions trying to bring that to everyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Just what we need, more Detroits.Quote:
Detroit has suffered the usual problems associated with large, Democrat-dominated cities. Its spending has long been out of control, and former mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and one of his cronies are prison-bound on 31 counts of extortion, bribery, and racketeering.
But these things, as bad as they are, are not the sole reason that Detroit is a failed city. The city has for years proved unable or unwilling to provide the basic services people expect from municipal authorities: While political cronies got fat, the people of Detroit were left with some of the worst schools in the country, some of the most dangerous streets in the country, and a mass-transit system that is a non-functioning mess. Not that you’d want to start a business there, but if you did, its licensing and regulatory agencies run the gamut from incompetent to corrupt.
So the people of Detroit went on strike. They did not picket city hall or demand a sit-down with the mayor. They packed up and left, taking their businesses, their innovation, and their tax dollars with them. The powers that be in Detroit can rob people blind, but they cannot make them stay.
As a result of this, Detroit has lost nearly two-thirds of its population. The decline of the automotive industry alone is not responsible for that: Ford by itself still employs enough people that it could employ one member of every family in Detroit. GM and Ford together could employ the entire working-age (18–65) population of Detroit, along with every man, woman, and child in Flint, Mich. and every man, woman, and child in Pontiac, Mich. and would still need to fill a few vacancies. That’s to say nothing of Chrysler, the American operations of firms such as Toyota and BMW, or Mercedes-Benz’s SUV business — or the countless manufacturers of automotive parts, components, materials, etc. What do most of those firms have in common? They do not want to be in or near Detroit.
The hunt for low wages is not the explanation for that fact. Motor Trend named the Mercedes-Benz GL Class the best SUV in the world this year — prices for that truck cross the $100,000 mark — and it is made in Vance, Ala. Does anybody really think that Mercedes, a company used to paying its German workers very attractive wages, is in Alabama so that it can pay Third World wages to toothless hillbillies to build its flagship SUV? A quick look at the numbers confirms that this is not the case.
Here’s a wild guess: Mercedes is in Alabama because nobody wants to live in Detroit except Kwame Kilpatrick, whose most likely next option is a six-by-eight cell, and the gentlemen of the United Automobile Workers union and their associates. The UAW, having helped to destroy the automotive industry in and around Detroit, is currently in the middle of its third attempt to unionize Mercedes-Benz workers in Alabama and elsewhere in the South, having committed tens of millions of dollars — where will that come from? — to the project. Joining the UAW is like joining the European Union — no matter how many times you vote against it, there’s always another vote, until it goes the other way, and then there are no more votes.
The current focus of the UAW’s most intense attention is Chattanooga, Tenn. where Volkswagen operates a factory.
The question that people in Chattanooga should be asking themselves is: What part of Detroit’s business model do we really want to replicate? That Detroit now has and has had a backward, rapacious, corrupt city government is not an inconsequential issue, but the seldom-acknowledged reality is that a community with a thriving economy can endure a fair amount of political parasitism. California, troubled as it is, limps along, but it would collapse without the technology and entertainment industries. You can find the same kind (though not the same degree) of waste and self-dealing in Houston as you do in Detroit, but Houston muddles through. New York City may have improved a great deal under Rudolph Giuliani, but it is not Zurich — it’s still New York.
Detroit is the victim of a vicious circle: Failing municipal institutions mean that without the allure of a high-paying job, Detroit is an undesirable place to live, while the unions have helped to drive away a great many of those high-paying jobs. A city that already was corrupt and incompetent saw its tax base evaporate, meaning that it quickly became a city that is corrupt, incompetent, and broke. Of its $11 billion in unsecured debt, the great majority — $9 billion — is owed to pensions and health-benefit plans for the same public-sector incompetents who helped bring the city to its knees in the first place. Detroit’s ruling class is a parasite that has outgrown its host.
If Chattanooga wants a piece of that action, it is welcome to it.
None of them ran Detroit into the ground... that was local level fraud and waste that was the root of it... not Federal level.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
How many years of that were a Democrat Controlled Congress?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
FYI, it's been 52 years since Republicans controlled Detroit government.
Except for brief periods ,the Dems dominated Congress pretty much non-stop since Roosevelt . Specifically the Dems progressive polices had an almost 40 year run between 1960-2000 . But headline did not say " 40 Years of Democrat Policy " .It said 40 years of FEDERAL Policy... yes there are some big government Repubics who are complicit... enough in fact that there was never enough power or time for conservative to roll back a half century of bad policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Detroit is the model city of the emperor's vision of fundamentally transforming AmericaQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Oh I know, that idea was tom's when he pointed out the federal policy was the cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I know! But tell that to tom! --> https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3533931Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
My solution would be for Windsor to annex Detroit.
No thank you. LOL.
Government may well be part of the problem, but why ignore banks and businesses? Oh that's right we can't even debate their contributions of economic disaster.
So what's the common theme of global economic failure. It ain't the mayor of Detroit for sure. Mitt already told you HE had money all over the world, and was training HIS sons to have money all over the world.
Yeah governments SUCK, but corporations SUCK more, they make it possible to keep sucking. The takers you holler about ain't all liberals, or poor.
Yup . UAW did their share of taking too.
Yes.. decades of Union handouts that were put on the backs of the taxpayers... whose backs finally broke.
What was Rev Wrights famous line... "chickens coming home to roost"?
Maybe so maybe not . There are Viking graves buried beneath the permafrost of the once warm island called 'Greenland ' .We aren't talking millions of years ago . We are talking more like a thousand.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Where is Vinland?Quote:
Roots of plants and deep Viking graves found in South Greenland in soil that is now tjaele (permafrost or permanently frozen ground) indicate that the annual mean temperature must have been 2-4°C warmer than now. It is possible to estimate the summer temperature on the basis of the story in Landnámabók (985-1000) about Thorkel Farserk, who swam out to Hvalsey (in Hvalseyfiord) in order to fetch a sheep to make a feast for his cousin, Erik the Red. By way of comparison, Dr. Pugh from The Medical Research Laboratories in England has established on the basis of studies of Channel swimmers and the like, that 10°C would be the lowest temperature that a man who had not been in special training would be able to endure, even if he was fat. The average August temperature of the water in the fiords along this coast now rarely exceeds 6°C. The water in Thorkel's time must therefore have been at least 4° warmer and probably more than that. The summer temperatures (for the air) in the fiords in South Greenland would then have been 13-14°C (as compared with the present 8-10°C), and in Godthaab's fiord about 12°C, with a correspondingly shorter growth season. Further north around Melville Bay the summer temperatures would have been 9-10°C, as compared with the present 3-5°C.
As far as I know ,the Vikings weren't driving SUVs and blowing garbage into the air.
Owebamas Brother linked to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Obama's brother linked to Muslim Brotherhood
Yes Tom we know there have been warmer periods such as Roman times and colder periods such as the little ice age and we don't know why or what is the norm. All this carry on about CO2 is a beat up to establish nuclear energy which has got out of hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I wouldn't be baseing my theories on the Norse Sagas they tended to get a little exaggerated
There is actual proof they made ti the north America centuries before the Europeans... and there is ample Archeological proof to back it up... as well as that they were growing grapes in Greenland.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I didn't say they didn't achieve anything they were certainly good sailors and I didn't say there wasn't a warm period that made it easier for them, but when they told of their deeds over centuries some things got a little exaggerated such as the Norse Sagas suggest they won the battle of Clontaff in 1014. They were primarily raiders and so didn't set up permanent settlements in the americas or perhaps they found the environment as harsh as the europeans who settled JamestownQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
My roots have been traced to Viking/Norman's who settled in southern Italy .They did settle where it was hospitable . Best guess is that the Greenland-Iceland-Nova Scotia Vikings were driven out by eventual colder climate and perhaps indigenous populations .Since grapes are grown in Labrador today it is very believable that in warmer climes Labrador and Newfoundland would have productive vineyards.Quote:
They were primarily raiders and so didn't set up permanent settlements in the americas or perhaps they found the environment as harsh as the europeans who settled Jamestown
Their navigation was essentially to follow the coast lines so with encrouching ice their voyages would have become harder with easier pickings closer to home, hearth and family is a strong pull in a harsh winterQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
DC mayor moves to the right... sort of.
And why pray tell would he do such a thing? It's not a true living wage bill because you know, it only basically applies to Walmart. The other reason? It's a job killer.Quote:
Mayor Gray vetoes ‘living wage’ bill aimed at Wal-Mart, setting up decisive council vote
District Mayor Vincent C. Gray vetoed legislation Thursday that would force the city’s largest retailers to pay a super-minimum wage to their workers, ending two months of uncertainty over the controversial bill’s fate and setting up a decisive override vote at the D.C. Council as early as Tuesday.
The debate over the bill, the Large Retailer Accountability Act, has polarized local leaders while garnering national attention and putting focus on the low wages many retail chains pay their workers.
You don't say.Quote:
“If I were to sign this bill into law, it would do nothing but hinder our ability to create jobs, drive away retailers, and set us back on the path to prosperity for all,” he said.
Just an observation, but we have 4 of those Supercenters and every time they have built one here the area it's in has exploded in growth. I'm just sayin'...
And while the right allegedly keeps moving further right, the left just keeps getting meaner, nastier and more intolerant. And clueless I might add. The Communications Director of the Sacramento, CA Democratic Party, responded to an inoffensive tweet by a Ted Cruz staffer... “May your children all die from debilitating, painful and incurable diseases”
I think Allen Brauer is suffering from incurable ED.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Arseholes cover the political spectrum.
And there's your right-wing example.Quote:
I think Allen Brauer is suffering from incurable ED.
If Smoothy were representing the Republican party that might matter, but since he isn't let's focus on the other a$$hole, though it apparently doesn't bother you for him to publicly call for a miserable death of Amanda's children.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I speak for myself... but only a Liberal would find nothing in that guys twitter posts... unless it was someone responding to one of their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hello again,
Yawwwwnnn... The world is filled with UGLY people. Who gives a sh!t? Telling me about them isn't interesting and doesn't further the political conversation.
excon
Unless it's a Conservative that does it... THEN it deserves a Congressional investigation and Front page news coverage for at least two weeks.
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by ;
Nahhhh.
I like to talk about events and not people... Like the event this morning, where the Republican party gave up ANY pretense it ever had that it cares about poor people.
The Republican lead House voted to CUT $40 Billion from the food stamp program. It USED to be that BOTH Republicans and Democrats cared about hungry people.. But, that was BEFORE this rightward lurch.
Now, I'm not interested in the arguments against food stamps. I've heard the takers v makers argument.. What I want to know is why is it Republican policy TODAY when it NEVER was before?
excon
Oh the irony.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
If I were starting threads like this one I think I'd refrain from complaining when your hypocrite a$$holes get outed.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
We like poor people... the ones that we hate are the leeches and welfare bums.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Obam'sa been claiming how much the economy has improved under him... that means we can reduce those (food stamps etc) to at or below the levels when Bush left office , right?
FYI, the left wing is moving further left.
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Hello again, Steve:
Here's the difference between you and me.. I'm a LEFTY.. I'm FAR left, and I KNOW it. You, however, are a far right loon, and you think you're in the center...Quote:
FYI, the left wing is moving further left.
Bwa, ha ha ha ha.
excon
And as is typical with FAR lefties you just make sh*t up, in spite of the evidence against your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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