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"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
-- John F. Kennedy
And why didn't she succeed?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I cannot find a context for this speech or when it was delivered, and to whom. But every militia group uses it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr.yet
Please supply a link to its origins.
Hello tal:
Who would disagree with it?
Of course, it does NOT mean buy as many guns as you can, move to Idaho, and join an anti government (IE: anti OBAMA) militia.
Now, if you were a right wing NUT, kind of like Tim McVey, you COULD find that stuff in there.
excon
You awoke the librarian in me, am searching for the source of this quote. Meanwhile, I stumbled across this one (woo! Woo!) --Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
A strong body makes a strong mind. As to the species of exercise I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion of your walks. – Thomas Jefferson
***ADDED*** So far, John Kennedy January 29, 1961.
He gave his State of the Union message the next day (and it could be given today with many of the same conditions prevailing) -- http://www.infoplease.com/t/hist/sta...union/174.html
Somehow he found out about it ,and that triggered his rage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Well done.Quote:
Found it!
Roosevelt Day Commemoration Message - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum
It certainly sounds like Cold War rhetoric - the enemy being the USSR.
So what does that explanation of why he shot up a school have to do with the inadequacies of the mental health profession?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Like I said ,I have not found out all the details . Heck ,there is no admission yet that he was on medications or under any care or evaluation.We know his mom was concerned enough to consider institutionalization... Beyond that ; All they floated so far was that idiocy that Aspby was a contributing factor .
He may have been an Aspie, but that certainly wasn't a contributing factor. I am eagerly awaiting the report of the details of this young man's mental and emotional journey, and what had been done to try to help him.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
He was trained to use a gun, and about to be sent away from surroundings he was familiar with.
Thanks WG for the context of the quote by Kennedy. He wasn't alking about arming the public against the govrnment, but help make government greater through support and participation.
That was my read.
Reports are that she was trying to emotionally connect with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
... and then break that connection?
He apparently was incapable of connecting with anyone, even his mother.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
He had no history of violence or bad behavior as far as I know. There is no paper trail either.
A shop teacher had come forward to say he seemed to have no understanding of pain either for himself (so the teacher had to watch him closely in class) and for others. A few former classmates said he hugged the walls when he walked in school corridors and wouldn't make eye contact. He was painfully shy, even reclusive. The autism characteristics must have fed whatever demons were holding onto him.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again,
Here's what's crazy. When faced with the country's problems, Democrats want to talk... Republicans want to buy guns.
There ain't nothing else to say about that.
excon
Dems talk is my way or the highway. That's one reason we want guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
It doesn't even dawn on you that the message YOU'RE sending is, it's MY way or the highway, and if you DON'T like it, I'll SHOOT you...Quote:
Dems talk is my way or the highway. That's one reason we want guns.
Excon
Funny that's what we say about the TParty. And if guns are YOUR solution to our problems, we are screwed.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Even Tom agrees with some reasonable ideas we share. I mean background checks for every purchase is good isn't it? You know weed the honest citizens from the NOT so honest ones?
What's wrong with that?
I don't trust the government to come up with reasonable solutions. Period. I've been trying to navigate the federal government and two state governments for weeks now and the best I can surmise is they don't want to help my WWII vet dad, they'd rather let him die and take all of his money and family land and property in the process. They damn sure don't want to help my daughter, they've literally f**ked up everything in her case and just plain don't give a sh*t, leaving us all high and dry and costing me money I don't have because of their incompetency. So no, I don't look for the government to make this issue any better either.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:
You confuse me with someone who LIKES the government... Nonetheless, MY solutions to our problems do NOT include arming myself. I'm a patriot. I don't know WHO I'd be arming myself AGAINST, if not my fellow Americans...Quote:
I don't trust the government to come up with reasonable solutions. Period.
DOES that make me BETTER than you? Yup!
Excon
I am more than a bit frustrated by the BS myself. Lots of red tape to cut through at the moment. Lots of stupid people who don't help. I kind of feel you right now.
Keep pushing though for your family. Never quit. Good luck.
If he's a vet, the VA should be right there in his corner. I dealt with them for years with no problem. A real person even answers the phone (no stupid menu system).Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
How about finding an advocate for her and for your dad? A counselor or social worker?Quote:
They damn sure don't want to help my daughter
Okay, everyone. Go back to the topic of this thread. Sorry to divert.
Trust me, the VA is not in his corner. They're the ones (a real person) that made us get him out of there and into a private "rehab" center.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
My solution isn't arming myself either, it's protecting the constitutional rights this admin is all too eager to take away.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
So I can get a cannon or howitzer for my front yard, and be within my rights. Having limits that are reasonable is NOT infringing on your rights.
And now a rebuttal from other Aussies .
https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA
Well that was bound to happen .
Home in The Journal News Gun Map Targeted for Gun Robbery | AOL Real EstateQuote:
home in New York's Westchester County (pictured above) that was identified in The Journal News' infamous interactive map outlining gun permit holders last month was burglarized on Saturday, local TV station WDEF reported. The thieves' target? The homeowner's gun safe, officials said.
I don't suppose they will ever identify homes that were broken into that were not on the interactive map of gun owners.
Absolute american gun lobby propaganda, yes some people didn't want to loose their prescious guns but the result was we have been safer, no massacres. I don't say we don't have lawlessness, but guns don't feature in it to the extent it does in the US. Our experience has proven, take away the semi automatic weapons and the community is safer. Only yesterday there was a community dispute and riot in Logan Queensland. No guns because the community isn't allowed guns. Had it been in the US someone would have diedQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
We had a collector/dealer caught with 1,400 illegal weapons recently, absolutely no reason to possess such an arsenal. I know personally how guns can be stolen and used in crime. If the guns weren't in the community they cannot be taken and they cannot be used. So what I say to you is learn from others' experience, 270,000,000 guns is 270,000,000 to many
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Tom, don't you even feel a little embarrassed by posting this garbage. I've seen some pretty bad ones, but this takes the cake.
Let's have a look at it.
'Australia Protests Gun Ban' No, Australia doesn't do anything of the sort. Some of the 5 percent of Australians who own firearms are protesting.
Despite the American commentary trying to depict the government as mounting some sort of attack on our rights ( similar to the attack on your rights), the fact is we don't have a 2nd amendment. Australians who own a gun don't have a right to it. Owning a gun in Australia is a privilege not a right. This is dishonest.
"Armed robberies up 69 percent. ARMED with WHAT? The dishonest implication is that it is with a gun. I have already cited in a different post ( Australian Bureau of Criminology) whereby the vast majority of robberies of ANY SORT, are committed with a particular type of weapon. And that weapon is a knife.
More importantly, where is the source from which these figures are taken? There is none. At least I can direct anyone to my source. In exactly the same way as I can direct anyone to the Australian Institute of Criminology whence these figures were taken.
Between 1991 and 2001 there was a decrease in the number of deaths caused by firearms.
Firearms as a cause of death represent 4.2% of the 333 deaths caused by accidents, poisoning and violence.
I would go on but the rest is a perpetuation of the same type of dishonesty.
Thanks Tutt, not content with polluting that failed libertarian experiment they call their own country with firearms, they want to pollute ours too
Here's another piece of violent americana exported to us
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-sho...115-2cr97.html
NRA launches Practice Range gun app for children aged four and over | Information, Gadgets, Mobile Phones News & Reviews | thetelegraph.com.au
NRA launches shooting app for ages 4 and up - Salon.com
TRENDING: Poll: Gun control that Americans support – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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Fifty-five percent favor a ban on assault style weapons, 54% back a ban on high capacity ammunition clips, and 53% support a ban on on-line ammunition sales, but again there's a wide partisan divide between Democrats and Republicans on these proposals.
There is always a wide partisan divide it is called protecting your own arseQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
As if people don't already build and shoot their own cannons?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The seller of this App in the Apple iPhone App store is shown as MEDL Media, Inc. MEDL Media allows app developers to submit apps nearly anonymously and MEDL Media puts them in the Apple App store.
Why isn't Apple taking the heat for allowing this App on their I phones?
Also ,we all played arcade shooting games since we were kids . Where is the harm in one that shoots at targets ? I'd hardly compare this to Mortal Kombat ,Medal of Honor ,or Grand Theft Auto,
Explaining away actions by capitalists only enforces the capitalists nature of the NRA and the true nature of their endeavors. Make money.
Huh ?
Not available for Android yet, I was going to give it a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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