Very busy today... I'll get to it . Suffice it to say that even as damning as the testimony was yesterday ,the State Dept whistleblowers were only scratching the surface.
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Very busy today... I'll get to it . Suffice it to say that even as damning as the testimony was yesterday ,the State Dept whistleblowers were only scratching the surface.
Is the hearing over? I don't believe the goal is to crow, it's about truth, accountability, mitigating the damage and preventing another Benghazi. You apparently are OK with the administration's failures and lies.
Hello again, Steve:
Apparently, you haven't read where I said that I want the people who made mistakes to be thrown out of government...Quote:
You apparently are OK with the administration's failures and lies.
That's WAY different than believing the conspiracy crap you're into.
Excon
And yet you helped reelect Obama... after 4 years of mistakes... so he can make 4 more years of mistakes.
His mamma made the mistake of not aborting him in-utero and now we are all paying for it..
Going to quote this for posterity.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Fee free to... a majority of Americans feel that sentiment right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Dude, it's already clear that the 'conspiracy' as you call it is reality. And unless the media takes an interest in this as they SHOULD instead of writing it off as a witch hunt those who made the mistakes will never be held accountable. Instead, the whistleblowers will be smeared and you guys will do everything in your power to elect one of those that failed us and lied about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
OK .This is what we know from yesterday's testimony (with more to follow)
First ; someone intentionally shut off the rescue apparatus in place for theater diplomats and CIA ops .They did not name names but it is clear the decision was made up the chain of command at State ,the White House and/or DOD . AFRICOM had the assets available .But they were told to stand down.
What we learned was that EVERYONE knew immediately that it was an attack ;and could NOT have known the timeframe of the attack (which lasted over 6 hrs. ) .But still the talking points are that they could not have deployed the assets in time. That may be true for the 1st wave . But it is a red herring and a falsehood to claim that they could not have gotten their in time. They could've made a difference at the CIA annex ;and they certainly would've held the compound thus preventing looting ,loss of intelligence ,and evidence being compromised.
Charlie 1/10 or Charlie Company, 1st Battalion, 10th Special Forces Group. the Commander's In-extremis Force (CIF) for Special Operations Command Europe ,was formed specifically for this type of mission . So is the Marine Fleet Antiterrorism Security Teams (FAST) and Recapture Tactics Teams (RTT). Both were available.
We have yet to hear from CIA on this . They also have their own field ops that could've been deployed rapidly .
So who on the night of 9-11-12 made the decision to stand down ? It had to come from the top... Evita ,Brennan ,Petraeus ,Panetta.(we know Zero was asleep at the wheels ,getting his beauty rest before he travelled on a fund raiser to Vegas)
Second.. It is now confirmed that the situation being an attack was established early . Yet Congress listened to a parade of witnesses claim that it was a demonstration due to a Youtube video . How many of these were testifying under oath ? Who made the decision to change the talking points ? Again ,that came out of the White House . Did they direct the people who testified to Congress to lie ? Can you say cover-up ? Can you say perjury ?
Nice GOP spin but I rather hear the logistical decisions from the experts in the CIA, and military not from a diplomat.
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf
If its to long to read, too bad.
Like I said ,we have not heard from them yet .But once they get the same whistleblower protection the guys from State got ,the information I just laid out will be confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The Accountability Review Board is part of the cover -up as the facts will reveal. They protected all of the department’s higher-ups and blamed career officials down the ladder. State’s inspector general is now investigating their reportQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And ;if you think that Gregory Hicks and Mark Thompson are not credible witnesses then there is nothing I can do for you .
LOL,I have no doubt they have strong opinions and knowledgeable in their own field but being more credible than others that have weighed into this is a stretch at this time. I will wait to see what else come to light before I impeach the prez or send Hillary to jail.
Right wing conspiracy theories have failed before. Well they have so far failed every time. Yeah credibility is an issue though.
But not for Hillary and Obama... no matter how many lies and criminal acts they get caught red handed in.. the left refuses to hold them responsible.
And Hillarly has had a long list of them... THere are lots of people that have served jail time for doing less than Hillary has been caught doing... heck... there are a lot of people who have done time for doing EXACTLY WHAT Hillary has been caught doing.
Links please or it just another right wing loony opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
What was it I said just a short while ago, the whistleblowers will get smeared? It begins...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate... etc... etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
She was in contempt of court for 9 months over filegate...
FBI files ; WhiteWater ; Rose law firm,cattle futures fraud , Accepting a quid pro quo deal voter fraud in New Square NY in exchange for Presidential pardons for the "New Square Four "... just to name a few .
There are others like a cell phone franchise deal that was probably illegal too.
Edit... oh yeah ! Travelgate !
Edit... campaign finance fraud from a Hollywood fundraiser for her Senate campaign. She didn't report all the money contributed to the tune of $800K
You want to revise history, go ahead.
No this is telling history ,not revising it.
Really... don't even think about going there... because those are very real and did happen... putting your fingers in your ears and chanting lalalalalalalalalalla loudly won't change that fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I defend your rights to express your opinions no matter how far from reality they may be. What stuck in your ear and your theme song is your business too.
YOU are expressing an opinion... what Hillarly Clinton did in the previously reference stiuations is proven fact. Well documented facts that can not be disputed..Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yep, this administration is more Nixonian than Nixon's. Not only have they tried to silence (and intimidate) the Benghazi whistleblowers, the most transparent administration evah is apparently trying to silence the Inspector General for Afghanistan reconstruction.
Goodness knows we should always put the Emperor's image ahead of everything else. Pretty soon he'll be demanding we all turn out for some hero worship a la the Norks.Quote:
The watchdog who tracks the billions of taxpayer dollars spent to rebuild Afghanistan says government officials have tried to silence him because they think he's embarrassing the White House and Afghan President Hamid Karzai by pointing out the waste and fraud.
John Sopko, the special inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction, used a speech at the New America Foundation on Wednesday to blast government “bureaucrats”' who have told him to stop publicizing damning audits that detail case after case of waste, corruption and mismanagement of rebuilding efforts in Afghanistan. Some government officials have even complained that they aren't allowed to pre-screen or edit his reports, he said.
“Since my appointment by the president last summer, I have been surprised to learn how many people both in and out of the government do not understand the role of an independent inspector general,” Sopko said.
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“Over the last 10 months, I have been criticized by some bureaucrats for not pre-clearing my press releases with them, for not letting them edit the titles of my audits, for talking too much to Congress, for talking too much to the press … and, basically, for not being a 'team player' and undermining 'our country’s mission in Afghanistan,'” he said.
“Many in our government, even some surprisingly senior officials you think would know better, seem to believe that an inspector general should be their partner — or, more correctly, their silent partner,” he said. “In their opinion, my reports should be slipped in a sealed envelope in the dead of night under the door — never to see the light of day — because those reports could embarrass the administration, embarrass President Karzai, embarrass Afghanistan.”
Read more: Watchdog says government has tried to silence him on Afghanistan - Stephanie Gaskell - POLITICO.com
Its actually a better story than what it appears here Tom and you ruined it with your spin In my opinion. But have you read his actual work?
Check this PDF out.
http://www.sigar.mil/pdf/audits/2012...udit-12-14.pdf
Its limited but this one though dated gives a clear picture as to why this guy is at the top of the food chain. He takes no prisoners and isn't intimidated. If the prez was going to hide something this isn't the guy to appoint.
Discussion with Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction on Challenges Facing the US | Events | The Stimson Center | Pragmatic Steps for Global Security
Credibility he has got.
Where Tom and I ruined it??
I was responding to your posts claiming Hillary is going to be nominated for Sainthood along with Obama.
How about the guy that made the video allegedly behind the Benghazi attack, should he be the patsy? I mean hey, the Emperor got someone throw in the slammer for the attack, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What part of violating his probation agreement do you not understand? You know like all those criminals who lose rights when they get convicted?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...ion-violation/
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Youssef served most of his 21-month prison sentence for using more than a dozen aliases and opening about 60 bank accounts to conduct a check fraud scheme, prosecutors said.
After he was released from prison, Youssef was barred from using computers or the Internet for five years without approval from his probation officer.
Federal authorities have said they believe Youssef is responsible for the film, but they haven't said whether he was the person who posted it online. He also wasn't supposed to use any name other than his true legal name without the prior written approval of his probation officer.
Credibility you ain't got, do you actually check where your links go this one goes nowhereQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Must be blocked in your country.Quote:
Credibility you ain't got, do you actually check where your links go this one goes nowhere
No it is a single page with a header and no actual text on the subjectQuote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
There are videos and text on the page.
Attachment 43428
Let's see, Obama ran PSAs in Pakistan, pandered at the UN saying, “the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam” and Hillary said "we will make sure that the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted”??Quote:
What part of violating his probation agreement do you not understand? You know like all those criminals who lose rights when they get convicted?
Right after that he was hauled away at midnight by 5 Sheriff deputies and thrown into a federal correctional facility on a probation violation without being summoned to court first. Coincidence, eh?
Dude, he may be scum but that was no coincidence. Zero needed a scapegoat, and instead of going before the world to defend freedom he pandered and had him hauled off for the underlying offense of exercising his first amendment rights, KNOWING full well the video had nothing to do with it. The wrong guy is paying the price for this terrorist attack and you know it.
What you are actually saying is this fellow has no more rights in the US than he has in his native country, but don't loose sight he is guilty of something, inciting to violenceQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
In America we don't jail people for expressing an opinion... or at least we used to not do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You are really good at skipping pertinent FACTS!Quote:
Youssef served most of his 21-month prison sentence for using more than a dozen aliases and opening about 60 bank accounts to conduct a check fraud scheme, prosecutors said.
After he was released from prison, Youssef was barred from using computers or the Internet for five years without approval from his probation officer.
Federal authorities have said they believe Youssef is responsible for the film, but they haven't said whether he was the person who posted it online.
He also wasn't supposed to use any name other than his true legal name without the prior written approval of his probation officer.
Come on, the fellow is a criminal, a fraudister, does society really object when the law catches up with such people, the movie he made was some sort of scam and the mistake he made was releasing it anywhereQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Then everything Hollywood puts out is a fraud. Because none of it is real or accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Only Muslims think it's a crime to show other Muslims for what they really are.
At least in this country... Sharia and its oppression of everyone and everything isn't the law.
I can take a dump on a Koran if I want... and its my legal right to do so.
Go ahead but don't complain when someone blows up your house that is also a form of commentQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
The guy is a political prisoner .He is in jail because Evita and Zero were intent on maintaining their lie .
He is in jail because he broke the conditions and got caught anything else is perpheral OK he was a convenient smokescreen for a day andthere was useful disinformation or confusion or whatever
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