And you answered your own question. That's what happened to adoption.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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And you answered your own question. That's what happened to adoption.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The tyranny I call everyday life is not to fear that some idiot will shot me or that I need to be armed to protect myself from my neighbours, I would not wish to enjoy the tyranny you call everyday life. I live in a place where the incidence of violent death is very low and one reason for this is that no one feels it necessary to resort to the gun, we have lost that frontier mentalityQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Dream on... drugs come in... so do weapons... you think the criminals can't get guns? You would be sadly mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
If some armed thug breaks into your house at night... you have to throw a boomarang at them or try to beat them with a stick... I can shoot them.
I'd rather be able to shoot them... the difference is I'm allowed to have guns... the criminals never were... but that never stops them.
YOU can feel safe being the unarmed side when crime happens... I'd rather have the right to self defense... they way it is now, I feel a lot safer being the one with a gun, rather than being the unarmed victim.
And anyone with the balls to break into my house at night... gets shot, and if he keeps breathing he gets shot again until he stops... doesn't matter if they have a gun or not. That's MY constitutional right... something you don't have.
Of course criminals get guns they are exported by your gun manufacturers and illegally imported hereQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
My boomerang won't come back but I have my fighting club and most attackers here aren't armed with gunsQuote:
If some armed thug breaks into your house at night... you have to throw a boomarang at them or try to beat them with a stick... I can shoot them.
The difference is I can have guns just not military style weapons and the criminals know they don't need guns so few carry themQuote:
I'd rather be able to shoot them... the difference is I'm allowed to have guns... the criminals never were... but that never stops them.
I haven't seen many unarmed victims in the home, most crime happens away from the home like the idiot attacker who ran through a plate glass window yesterdayQuote:
YOU can feel safe being the unarmed side when crime happens... I'd rather have the right to self defense... they way it is now, I feel a lot safer being the one with a gun, rather than being the unarmed victim.
I have a right of self defense, but not a right to kill someone out of hand. Thing is no one is going to break into my home because they are unlikely to think there is anything here worth the effort. You live where drugs are endemic, I don't, you live where gun crime is endemic, I don't, you live in a violent society, I don't. You think your society is better than mine, I don't and the proof is right hereQuote:
And anyone with the balls to break into my house at night... gets shot, and if he keeps breathing he gets shot again until he stops... doesn't matter if they have a gun or not. That's MY constitutional right... something you don't have.
You need to get out and travel more... because you couldn't pay me to live someplace where the only people with guns are the criminals.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
And incidentally... since you anti-gun nuts can't comprehend some very simple basic facts...
A mini-14 is exactly just as deadly as an AR-15 is... because they use the same freaking ammunition.
What kind of idiots think military weapons are any more deadly or dangerous than common hunting weapons... which most times are far MORE deadly...
A Remington 7mm Magnum bolt action hunting rifle is a far more lethal weapon than MOST Military arms used in the world
Oh right... those that really don't have a clue and are misinformed.. and brainwashed by their tyranical government .
Sheeple believe their handlers when they are told... bend over... its good for you..
And incidentally... I'm not a poor person living in a poor neighborhood that looks like everyone is on welfare.
If you live where I do... you have enough money to have stuff... single family homes start at almost $500,000 and go way, way up from there into the millions. The Median income is $113,817 a year.
I can also leave my car unlocked and the radio and the car will be there in the morning.
I wouldn't say that this is true at all. The specs are nearly identical to the NATO .308 round. Not sure where you think it is such a big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
7mm magnum can take a deer down a mile away... I've seen it done, and know people that did it almost every year (I'm not THAT good a shot and my rifle can't do it)... try that with a .308. Easy with a .50cal... but you don't use those for deer.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
30-06 is a more powerful round... but by our Aussy friends definition... thats a military round... because the Old Springfields WW1 rifles used it as well as the M-1 Garand, never mind it being the most popular hunting round.
And there is no more effective criminal killer than a 12 gauge Shotgun of any type with a shell of bird-shot. That turns you into hamburger where it hits you.
My deer rifle is a military rifle...
A 1924 Yugoslavian M98 Mauser... 8mm straight bolt. Piss poor trajectory for long distance... but I hunt more in heavy brush where the heavier 196 grain bullet won't be deflected by twigs and branches.
I really find it hard to believe that a 7mm magnum round can take a deer clean at almost 2000 yards. There is just not enough energy left for good penetration after 1000 yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
7mm Rem Mag for Sniping
I have travelled the world and never felt threatened.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I frequently leave my car unlocked and it is still there in the morning and even my garage, you don't impress me with your house prices even though my house isn't as pricy as that, it is as well appointed as any and even won an award for presentation recently. You also don't impress me with your income statistics although we don't have much white collar where I live. I don't live in a poor neighbourhood and my neighbours aren't on welfare but we are not victims of crime. I don't say that doesn't happen in some parts of the town but not here, the unruly element is too far away and too lazy to walk. You don't get the point, there are societies who live ordinary lives without a gun culture, who are not threatened by their government or other citizens. I once owned a gun, when I was young and foolish there is nothing to hunt around here so I don't need one the last time I fired a weapon I wished I hadn't
I mispoke on that a bit... it was a 1,000 yards, not a mile... confirmed on distance. Ridgetop to ridgetop in north central PA. Been there.. saw it during deer season in the mid 1980's.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
I don't live in an area where people think nobody has anything of value... in fact I avoid those areas because of the element that lives there... and prowls there.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I think the element might be a little different here, because of the way our social welfare etc is structured there is probably less pressure, even those on welfare aren't "poor" in the real sense
The welfare element here isn't really "poor" either in a global sense...
They have stuff today only the rich had 30 years ago... and would be rich by most third world standards.
They just lack a worth ethic... and common sense.
Well that's universal
Ok, I can believe the 1,000 yard. That makes more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Democrats push bill in Congress to require gun insurance under penalty of fine
Read more: Democrats push bill in Congress to require gun insurance under penalty of fine | Fox News
Well that fits in perfectly with the hypocrites in Hollywood demanding gun control while going nowhere without armed guards, self-defense is only for the elite who can afford it.
Now that would be sensible, everyone who drives a car has insurance, but how do you get a criminal to insure themselvesQuote:
Democrats push bill in Congress to require gun insurance under penalty of fine
Really... I think every teenage boy and girl of breeding age should carry baby insurance ((so the public can't be held responsible to supporting them) because far more of them knock each other up before they are 18... than gun owners ever shoot someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I think Liberals should have insurance policies for slander and libel... and that those laws be enforced every time they make false.. and misleading statements...
I think Newspapers and liberal news media be licensed and held criminally liable for what they report.. and if they fabricate a story... they lose their license to practice news.
Apparently a Georgia town has decided to make gun ownership manadatory on the pretense the police force is inadequate. What sort of hick operation are you guys running over there? It sounds like make your own arrangements
It isn't the first. Switzerland was the first. It isn't even the first in Georgia.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Crime Rate Plummets in Kennesaw, GA
Yeah I heard but would you want to live in Switzerland you can't do anything without your neighbour watching and reporting, that is where you are headed
Yeah let's have all them criminals with illegal guns buy liability insurance before they pump someone full of lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Just trying to work this bit out. It says the law went into effect in 1982, yet they are celebrating the 16th anniversary of the ordinance. Wouldn't that put the year at about 96/97?Quote:
Originally Posted by Catsmine
Hello:
I don't know.. Are you NOT able to distinguish between those guns which have NOT been made or sold yet, and those that have??
I'm also sure you have NO idea what I'm talking about... THAT'S why we have a problem...
Look. I remember when congress mandated that cars have lights on the SIDES. According to right wing logic, we'd NEVER had lights on the side before so it's CLEAR that we didn't need them.
??
excon
I'm OK with car lights.
In spite of the Senate voting to block this treaty the Obama admin voted for it.
UN approval of arms trade treaty sets up Obama, Senate showdown - The Hill's Global Affairs
As far as I can tell ,there is no amendment guaranteeing my right to own a car .
Let them try ant take them... I hope every gun owner shoots anyone and everyone that tries to take our guns...Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I am an American citizen... not a UN citizen... MY contoling document is the US constitution... not some piece of scrap paper some UN idiot scrawled on with crayons.
Panic and for no reason the UN arms treaty is to regulate international arms dealing not to take away US guns. The traffic in arms has to be stopped almost every nation in the world has agreed only the rogues voted against it. Watch who you are aligning yourself with
Hello smoothy:
Couple things... Of course, right wingers haven't thought this thing through... Thinking ISN'T a right wing strong point. You can't really, when you hair is on fire...Quote:
I hope every gun owner shoots anyone and everyone that tries to take our guns...
First off, IF anybody comes for your guns, he's going to be your neighbor, your local cop, or your local National Guard.. He's NOT going to be a member of Obama's army...
Secondly, they're going to show up with big black helicopters that have BIGGER guns than you. I don't know WHY you wingers think your little, teeny, tiny assault rifles would stand up to the US Army... I can't figure that one out...
Thirdly, Tim McVey thought he was a patriot too. He thought he was defending America... But, he wound up being just another scumbag terrorist.
Excon
The traffic of socialism is what needs to be stopped...Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The UN is an organization of thugs and criminals...
What NEEDS to be stopped... Islam... Islam needs to be stopped... THAT is the true threat to the world... not guns.
You and I are in agreement that islam needs to be stopped, but the traffic in weapons is feuling the conflicts and allowing islamists to wage war. Guns must not be freely available but controlledQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
That's what the people who want to impose Tyranny upon you want you to think...Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Because they are the ones with the capacity to make the guns... they will have complete control... you and I will become slaves and subject to their every whim being we would become the unarmed masses..
If you listen to the news... most of what they are saying on this topic is nothing but bold faced lies... and they are not held criminally liable for doing it.
And a lot of clues nimrods parrot them saying see... thats the problem.. when "that problem" doesn't even exist.
Naming just one, The fictitious "gun show loophole"... the reality is nobody at any gun show is exempt form any background check or paperwork... period.. it is that simple. ANY and every journalist that repeats that line is an absolute idiot... and a liar.
I have lived a long time in a society where gun population is about 14%, we have not become slaves, we are not subject to their every whim because there is rule of law. Your rhetoric is exactly that; rhetoric put forward by those who want to control, want anarchy, so they can profit from it. Wake up, you are a stooge of the gun lobby, a stooge of the NRA
YOU might believe that from within your bubble... but its pretty obvious to the rest of us... you are the stooge to the gun grabbing socialists. We call those people Sheeple. They quietly and meekly accept what they are told by their handlers what is good for them to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
But then you don't understand the basic concept of a real constitution that doesn't change more often than some restaurant menus. And a BIll of Rights that isn't subject to some loons passing whimsy.
Hello smoothy:
I've posted before about my ability to buy a gun, and as MANY guns as I want at our local gun shows. I suppose you think I'm a liar too.Quote:
The fictitious "gun show loophole"... the reality is nobody at any gun show is exempt form any background check or paperwork... period.. it is that simple. ANY and every journalist that repeats that line is an absolute idiot... and a liar.
How is it, that a fellow who posits himself as a gun expert, knows SO little about how guns are bought and sold?? You accuse US of buying the media garbage, but that's what YOU'RE doing.
Let me repeat. When I go to the gun shows, the guys who have BOOTHS are firearm dealers... You can't buy a gun from them WITHOUT a background check... Then there's the private seller... He's walking around with gun belts over his shoulder, or he's outside the show standing at the door or hanging out in the parking lot... You'd have be BLIND not to notice them, and not to KNOW what they're doing there... You can buy a gun from them, and NOT go through a background check... Then you can buy ANOTHER one from the next guy standing there...
And, you don't know that this is happening?? Dude!
Now, I don't know WHY you'd want to maintain a law that allows felons like me to GET guns... It makes NO sense - NO sense at all...
Excon
You know how easy it is to pay someone with a clean record to buy a gun for you? "bangers do it all the time, and excons. But you guys are opposed to making straw purchases a federal crime with a steep sentence.
My NRA husband says there are lots of private sales going on at gun shows between guys who walk around with all sorts of guns strapped to and hanging from their bodies and people who don't want the background check done.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
So do the thugs on the inner city streets that will sell you one at night in certain parts of town...Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
So what does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Or can't Liberals actually read what is written.
And again... exactly WHAT does that have to do with the purchaser in EVERY gun transaction required to be filling out forms and getting checks? As the existing law requires ALREADY?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And exactly WHY should the criminal who commits the crime get at most five years and at least a slap on the wrist.. when someone who DIDN'T commit that crime is supposed to get worse?
Unless you call for criminlas using guns they shouldn't have to be executed... then every argument you have about someone who sells them a gun becomes total BS...
They guy that points the gun at someone to commit a crime... DESERVES a far greater penalty than anyone else who didn't.
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