Who doesn't? My salary increase doesn't necessarily get passed on. If I become more productive then that can make up the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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Who doesn't? My salary increase doesn't necessarily get passed on. If I become more productive then that can make up the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb_0707_47.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
For once we agree.Quote:
In this year’s farm bill, the Democrats have a chance
To repeal the special interest giveaways of prior Republican
Farm bills, including the regressive “milk tax.”
Except for the nonsense about Republicans being responsible for this . Milk price supports probably go back to the depression era and it certainly has been a reality my whole life... and as I recall the Dems loved giving away that free government cheese.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
From the same link,
A bit of the back story behind those subsidies though,Quote:
The federal government has subsidized and regulated
The dairy industry since the 1930s. A system of “marketing
order” regulations was enacted in 1937. A dairy price
Support program was added in 1949. An income support
Program for dairy farmers was added in 2002.
As part of this year’s farm bill, Congress may
Reauthorize dairy programs, but they are among the most
Illogical of all farm programs.1 The government spends
Billions of dollars reducing food costs through programs
Such as food stamps, yet dairy programs increase milk
Prices. Dairy programs create milk cartels, yet federal law
Generally prohibits cartels. Current dairy policies don’t
Make any sense, and they are ripe for repeal in 2007.
Milking Trade Subsidies - WSJ.com
Protecting the American Diary market against dumping from other countries. Sort of like China does.
Yep, since the 30sQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Milk Madness
Ex, you said something about calling them "dirty" 50 years ago. So far, there have been outbreaks of scabies, tuberculosis and multiple outbreaks of lice among the occupiers. But I know, what can you expect from people living that closely together who crap in plastic bags and otherwise have no running water or sanitation.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Yeah, changing the world ain't purty.
excon
Yeah, it's hazardous to your health. But you are a fan of health regulations, right?
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I'm more a fan of changing the world... Look, who's going to care about a turd or two when leadership of the free world is at stake?
excon
I have a dog so a turd or two is no big deal, but I'm no fan of communicable diseases or parasites.
Hello again, Steve:
Look, I'll engage you, but you don't seem to be able to get passed who the protesters are as people... I'm simply suggesting that you're missing the bigger picture... There's MORE going on here than dirt.
excon
What about clean food and drink?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The cops and sanitation workers are probably getting paid overtime, and the occupiers would be better served by protesting all day, and going home at night, like a regular job. Specially with winter coming.
We could hope a few of them die from exposure... maybe that will wake them up to reality.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hi Tom,
If Bill Whittle says they should go home then I agree with him. I've been saying that all along. Nonetheless, you miss my point. I am critical of Whittle because of the reasons he puts forward as to why they should go home.
Whittle says OWS protestors should go home and be grateful to corporations for what they have given us. Grateful in the same way Hobbes says we should be grateful to the sovereign power for affording us protection. According to Hobbes we should be willing to do this in exchange for giving up our liberties and freedoms.
Yes, OWS protestors no need to worry.Go home and be thankful for the way things are and let the corporations get on with what they do best.
Tom, you are happy with this 16th century social contract theory being the basis for OWS protestors going home?
To say all civilizations collapse in the same way is nonsense. He backs up this claim with a graph showing exponential growth. The graph has no labels. It could just as easily represent the exponential grow of a fruit fly population.
His argument is nonsense on stilts
Tut
Where his point is valid is that the protesters are completely detached from what it takes to get food in their mouths and ipods in their hands. They just expect to get things they feel entitled to.
I see it in the public hearings I attend. We want the electricity uninterrupted but don't build a power plant near my house. We want cell phone service but that tower is unsightly ,build it somewhere else.
We like out food prepackaged but are grossed out at the inherent conditions of a slaughter factory that mass produces the food we eat... and fewer do their own hunting and field dressing ;fishing ,or even getting their fingers dirty planting and maintaining a garden.
His challenge is a legit one to consider. We recently had a freak snow storm in October and some people lost electricity for a number of days as the maintenance crews cleaned the debris and slowly rehooked the transmission lines. Well by the reaction you would've think Armegeddon had arrived .
So yeah... they were rouging it at the NYC encampment... especially after someone else cooked free food for them ;and someone set up a wifi zone throughout the park.
I don't know about anyone else, but I am as well. I am completely at the mercy of corporations. I rely on them for just about everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Of course, we all want electricity but we don't want the high voltage power lines to pass over our house.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder
If they want to do build high voltage towers over my property then I will take the government to the highest court in the land (in this case the government owns the utility). I guess that's what people do if they feel their health and interests are threatened.
What I don't want from government is a 16th century letter explaining to me that electricity benefits the majority of citizens and I need to waver my so called rights in order to benefit the majority and thus benefiting myself at the same time.
To Keep the hypothetical going;the letter might go on to say that electricity has to be provided so there is a price everyone has to pay in terms of what you want and don't want. If you don't like high voltage power lines over your house then try generating the electricity yourself. You will soon come back to the fold and allow the government/corporation to decided the most efficient way to provide for the majority.
I would prefer a letter stating that my complaint has been taken into account and it is the belief that the utility has adhered to all the necessary rules and regulations regarding the necessary extension of power in your area. If you feel that this response is unsatisfactory for what ever reason then may we suggest you start with the government Ombudsman as the first stop in exercising your rights.
Yes, I know rules and regulations. I know my rights, so I am going to exercise them to the max. Everyone doing this will no doubt result in more rules and regulations in the long run.
Nonetheless, I still prefer 21st century social contract theory over 16 th century social contract theory. Of course I am indebted to corporations for everything. However, this doesn't mean that I should waver my rights as a sign of appreciation.
Tut
I expect my government to work for me, not the corporation. I expect my government to be vigilant against corporate greed and ROBBING me blind.
How about the wefare bums and project dwellers that are robbing us blind, committing crimes and providing NOTHING to the general welfare of the country.
They will never steal as much as a corporation does, or the fat cats who run them. At least poor criminals go to jail, rich criminals go yachting.
Too late... since the 1930's... Trillions have been wasted on good-for nothing lazy welfare bums.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hi Smoothy,Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Committing crimes should have legal consequences for anyone involved.
As for certain section sections of the community contributing nothing to the general welfare. What do your suggest? Because they are indebted to just about everyone; corporations, governments, taxpayers, we should suspend their rights?
Tut
Yes... as part of accepting welfare.. they should lose them until they get jobs and support themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
That would be unconstitutional. You cannot take someone's rights because they are poor, indepted, or jobless. Or LAZY, and dirty, stupid or a slob.
Gee and yet its constitutional to do this with Child Molestors that have served their sentences and Convicted Felons... yet lazy people are somehow immune.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Lazy is not a crime.
smoothy don't do a Marie Antionette, if you don't feed the masses they become revolting. I know you think they are revolting, but you allow them to keep guns, very disturbing
Hello wingers:
I KNOW you saw 60 Minutes the other night... I KNOW it pissed you off. I KNOW you want to demonstrate about it... Come on down. You'll be in good company.
excon
They are a tiny minority... they will find the large majority is fed up with them very soon... we have far more guns than they do. They will lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
As moronic as they are... I think they grasp that much.
Its also not an excuse... let the lazy starve. It will conserve resources for those who truly need them.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Unconstitutional is just an opinion of the court in charge.
We already restrict rights to religion ( anyone remember the Mormon wars from history, or when being part of the Church of England was an offense worthy of arrest during the revolution) Not to saw that today if my church wanted to actively support lets say Hermain Cain, we could lose our tax exempt status for doing so.
Right to bear arms, it is already taken away in many cities or states
Right to vote , that is of course controlled by the states and as noted felons have lost those rights.
Other things like welfare and food stamps are not rights, they are government programs that can be changed at a moment notice.
That's the way it should be, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
You want anyone to be able to run around with fully automatic assault rifles? There are some small countries in Africa that you would LOVE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
This is a good thing, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Hello again:
Do ANY of my right winged friends believe that putting down a popular movement with VIOLENCE ends it? If you do, and I think you do, the evidence that it doesn't ABOUNDS in the world...
What I REALLY think you think, is that the OWS is different than all the others going on in the world... You think because OUR protestors live in nice houses, they CAN'T be as pissed?? Really?
That's where I think you're making a big mistake.
excon
I love good clean food and drink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Hey, you're the one who said something about dirty people, I was just pointing out the health hazard the occupiers have become.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Look, as I've pointed out many times they began with the goal of zeroing in on their "one demand". What is it? If they can't give me their "one demand" there's nothing to talk about.
All the violence I've seen on the lefty media news... has come from the Bowel Movement people.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Then you're wearing your usual right wing blinders... I'm sure the cops were afraid of this 84 year old lady..
excon
My question is why would a church interested in the 1st amendment accept the tax exempt status ? Doesn't that quid pro quo mean that it becomes a state established religion ? It you want free exercise then lose the dependency on the state largess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Yes and I've known that Madame Mimi is a fraud and an insider trading crook for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
As I've said ;the outrage should be focused on Washington . Nothing I've seen from this confused movement changes my opinion.
They need leadership ;end these silly mass votes with handsignals.. Concentatrate on a focused doable goal ;and mobilize from where they can be effective... at the ballot box... just like they did in 2008 (yes this is the hopey changey Obama army out on the streets) .
Gee... when CBS news... ground zero for Rathergate and Bush bashing by the left, shows recorded video of the Bowel Movement and the murders rapes and other crimes... you want me to ignore it because its not really happening?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Are you trying to say they have had an awakening and sudenly became a Righty news source over night?
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