Oh OK. I guess I'll just keep on living I guess. Thanks for allowing me to live.
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Oh OK. I guess I'll just keep on living I guess. Thanks for allowing me to live.
Since you are in the Canadian system... just hope YOU never need something now that they tell you to wait 6 months or more to get... it happens all too often where rationing is a way of life. And all socialised systems ration care.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Never seems to be a problem... until its YOU that needs it. Then your perspective will change really fast. You will never think... damn, I have cancer, I have to wait 8 months for my turn to get treatment... IF I live that long, but its OK... at least we have a socialised system and that goes with it.
You will be saying why can't I get what I need right now... just like the rest of us that oppose that system. And under our current system you would get.
See, I've been in the ER for life threatening stuff before... stuff that if I had to wait hours or days much less months would have ended my life. And once to a private practice where the doctor dropped everything to attend to me... if he had made me wait 20 minutes I would have died as a teenager. And that was the time I would have needed to reach the clossest ER had it happened in the evening.
Yeah... touchy topic for me... from my own experiences.
Two of those were for Anaphylactic shock.
Hello again, smoothy:
I appreciate your input. You have, at the very least, demonstrated WHO makes up the tea party movement, and WHAT drives you. It's clear, that you guys are mad as hell. You've also demonstrated that your anger isn't based on fact, but rather on a hysterical hatred for anything Obama. This hatred is driven by the right wing noise machine lead by (you named them), Hannity and the Limp one.
You've been pretty straightforward so far. Does his race have anything to do with your hatred?
excon
I've never had to wait for anything, nor my wife, nor my kids. My parents are doing well, my mom's 2 knee surgeries were attended by very caring people. I don't have to deal with quotes or paperwork or payment plans or premium increases. I am happy. You are mad at everything, it's your way of life. I feel sorry for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
We've already offended Canada this week. While visiting to try and persuade our northern neighbors to stick around in Afghanistan a while longer, Hillary rebuked them for who they invited to their own conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catsmine
Ex several thousand self-identified Tea Party followers converged on Searchlight Nev Sunday . Moms and Dads all quiet, respectful, suited up for a stroll in the desert sun ,a weekend barbecue,a school fair was the atmosphere .
The Democratic partisans plan to smear the Tea Party as violent extremists or 1950s style racists .But that stumbles when confronted with the facts. Mr. and Mrs.America ,concerned about over taxation and government wasteful spending has awaken them from their slumber .
Nothing Frank Rich says can change that reality.
Your constant sniping gets wearisome.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Various people say things and you don't agree with and you demand proof.
Since you are the one disputing, it is up to YOU to post evidence to the contrary.
Actally, I think it was the Heritage Foundation that published the report.
Is this all you're about any more, repeating the current leftist meme? I guess you missed my post above showing a tale of 2 rallies - one left, one right, a week apart. I guess you were asleep during the Bush years when so many publicly fantasized (and even made movies about) the assassination of Bush, Cheney and Co.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
No he's describing Smoothy. Please go through this entire thread and read smoothy's posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I referred only to their ANGER. I made NO suggestions that smoothy OR any of tea pepole would ACT out.
They're STILL angry, though, and I think race has something to do with it. Otherwise, wouldn't SOMETHING they're angry about have a basis in reality?? There's no reality to death panels, socialism and government takeovers... There just isn't.
I think the Limprods and the Hannity's are in charge of that bunch, and I think race IS at the bottom of it.
excon
Ex prefaced that with "You have, at the very least, demonstrated WHO makes up the tea party movement." You now stand corrected, again.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Yea, him as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
No matter why so many people do not like him, they simply do NOT like him.
Someone wrote a little thing something like this:
I do not love the Doctor Fell,
The reason why, I cannot tell
But this I know, and know full well
I do not love thee Doctor Fell.
Now for a President of this country, this is a bad thing. The man who is supposed to bring the country together is the most divisive president ever.
Our society is headed toward a serious, maybe even violent clash unless some agreement can be made.
It ain't going to happen, but for the good of the country, Obama should step down. Maybe the next pres can be a better unifier. Biden seems less polarizing.
NK, that only helps make my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
At what point did ex or smoothy talk about fantasizing about the assassination of Obama? You brought it up not ex. I assume ex was referring to smoothy's blind hysteria and using it as an example of tea party members. You brought up people wanting to kill the president, I don't know why you did that.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I would ask the same thing about you, Frank Rich and every intolerant nitwit that's been running with this tea partiers are racists nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Ex , that makes as much sense as Frank Rich painting everyone opposed to the Health care legislation as being racist ,homophobic ,mysogynists .
Op-Ed Columnist - The Rage Is Not About Health Care - NYTimes.com
OR, does that really say something about the (divisive) people who have made no effort to like him and refuse to see any good in what he does?Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
Bingo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I'd ask the same about Bush haters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Well, you all have described who makes up the Obama supporting left.
THey believe only what Obama tells them to believe... they ignore reality and evidence that contradicts what their Messiah tealls them to believe.
THey expect to steal from those who have worked harder to earn more than they did, and they believe they are entitled to everything for free... and that someone ELSE should pay for what they demand.
The concept of actually working to earn it is beyond their capacity to grasp. Their spiritual leader and Messiah says they should not have to earn anything by working for it, or sacrifcing.
THey have this concept that only children share... that you can actually get something for free... and that while their time is valuable... they think everyone else should work for free.
And YOU are a good example of those who sit on their butts and complain they don't have something instead of going out and working to pay for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Yeah... I think you should pay your own way...
The lazy deserve nothing. THEY didn't pay my way through College... THEY didn't work long hours... THEY didn't pay the taxes I had to pay... THEY can rot in hell for all I care.
THEY aren't entitled to a damn thing THEY didn't earn.
And Unlike Canadians...
We have the RIGHT to have guns to keep them from stealing it... and the right to shoot them if they try.
One of the rights I am proud we have that you don't have in Canada.
I don't hate him -- never did. In 2000 when he was declared the president, I honestly gave him a chance. He was the president of our country and for that alone he deserved respect. I liked his mother (until her comment in Houston) and saw George W. as a good-looking, warm-hearted, friendly guy I'd love to have lunch with at a Crawford diner. As time went on, well, you know...Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I have no idea what the hell that means.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Do you resent paying taxes to support public schools? I sent both of my kids to a parochial school for $XXX a year and also paid taxes to support the public schools my kids didn't attend. And my kids have been out of public schools for years, but year after year I pay taxes to support those same public schools. Should I refuse?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Never said you did hate him, but the hate started on election day and never let up. The left publicly fantasized about his and Cheney's demise, and a movie depicting Bush's assassination barely raised an eyebrow. Compared to the nonexistent evidence of racist tea partiers it's a slam dunk on who the real haters are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Wrong. A few crazies might have and you attribute that to being a trait of all liberals.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Obama became President fair and square and is hated despite that. If Obama had become President the way George W. did, do you think Republicans would have ignored that?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You want something free, and expect someone else to foot the bill, so you don't have to, because you don't want to. Is that clear enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
It doesn't make sense at all. Some of my taxes gets taken off my paycheck for my universal health care. Mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
What am I getting free? Who's footing the bill?
I resent paying taxes that not only support my schools, but schools elesewhere in the state, let them support their own schools. For those who can't grasp the concept. A counties schools are supported by that counties taxpayers... not tax several counties taxes higher and take a lions share to give to OTHER counties schools. THAT irritates the hell out of me. And it does happen here in VA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
If my taxes stayed in my county... school related... they would be far lower. And I would not object as much. But I firmly believe school taxes should be based on how many kids you have... not how big your bedroom is.
I DETEST... and censor software prevents me from writing what I really want to say about paying taxes that pay for ANYTHING used by an illegal or their offspring, education, medical, anything.
And here that is 19% of the school budget alone purely for illegals in the school system... and that's what the school district claims. That's not Insignificant.
And how was the Tea Party folks portrayed here ?Quote:
Wrong. A few crazies might have and you attribute that to being a trait of all liberals.
For a refresher zomblog has some photos that are representative of many of the anti-Bush rallies that went on during his 8 years
Death Threats Against Bush at Protests Ignored for Years zomblog
See? You did again!
If it were left to you, would you have schools at all? I'm hearing "no." If there were no schools, how would you educate your children?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
As for illegals, if you were in charge, what would you do with them?
Right... typical Liberal... THEY are the only ones who have the right to speak up... heaven forbid anyone disagree with THEM...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I think you may require the help of a mental health professional.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
You didn't read that, did you, try reading it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
If you have 4 kids you pay four times the school taxes.
After all they are YOUR kids.
And under no case would my counties taxes be spent to pay for another counties schools. Let THEM pay the higher taxes for once... support themselves.
And yeah... MY county has higher taxes that bleed US dry to subsidize counties that pay far lower taxes... do you think that's fair? And its not just that tax either... we pay the highest taxes... yet get the lowest amount back from those taxes in the ENTIRE state. And we are talking State level functions and taxes here.
Personally, I'd like legal residents to be able to take that portion of school budget to put towards private school tuition.
Yeah... I do have a problem with much of the public school system. THey keep asking for ever more money and spend ever more time on indocrination rather than education. Students have never been less prepared, and we have never spent MORE per student. Money isn't the problem... its the people in the system calling the shots... and a few bad apples as well.
I think we had that discussion on another thread... I saw a slide starting when I was in high school, but someone older saw it start earlier than that, like the late 60's.
Do I have all the answers? Nope... but returning to corporal punishment... and getting rid of the Teachers Union and the concept of tenure.
Public, State and Federal employees should not be unionized.
I agree they need more control in their classrooms.. and to be held accountible as well.
I am honestly trying to understand what you say. Why are you smacking me?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
So someone with no kids pays nothing? The population of a county would change size, and support for the schools would change accordingly. What happens to the school meanwhile? It has to adjust as to maintenance, hiring, etc?Quote:
If you have 4 kids you pay four times the school taxes.
If you feel so strongly about your county's paying to support poorer counties, why don't you move to a poorer or different county? -- or even to a state that does things differently?
Not smacking you... just asking you to read it again... sometimes the second time you understand it... thats what I do when I didn't see a point the first time through. Something I was taught in elementary school decades ago. I actually was lucky to have a couple of exceptional teachers before I got to high school. They set the bar as to how I compared all other teachers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Because that county should pay higher taxes.. not lower. Or make do with less. We aren't just talking total dollars but actual tax rates as well being higher here.
And no... I'm not moving to a poorer county because the work I do is not there. And I'm not going to spend half my day driving in traffic.
And Incidentally... the reason I refuse to live in DC and why I no longer reside on MD does explain that... Taxes and how they waste that money did have a factor in why I live in VA. I did once live in MD for a good number of years. And yes, it plays a big factor why I left PA with the entitlement mentality so many there have developed.
Montgomery County MD has sucked up to the Illegals and liberal mentality so bad... they argued they had the RIGHT to teach condom usage in the third grade (real condoms, real cucumbers), and parents had no say in it at all. In fact an Illegal organisation pratically dictates what they will and won't do with legal taxpayers money.
CASA Di MARYLAND... and nodody ever checks their papers. Google it up... Illegals telling legals what they can do... and no repercussions.
Why can't we stop blaming Bush for everything. Obama was in the senate when the first bailout was passed. Obama has done so much worse than Bush. He's managed to spend more $$ in 18 months then all previous administrations combined.
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