Happy Thanksgiving to everyone this morning. We certainly have much to be thankful for.
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Happy Thanksgiving to everyone this morning. We certainly have much to be thankful for.
Such actions by elected leaders is despicable and to much like repubs who I have railed against. Yes it will be interesting to see if Joe can toe the line with consistent discipline and empathy and good orderly direction when he actually takes office.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Have a happy safe holiday everyone and yes we should all be grateful despite the situation as it is.
already you are expressing doubts of the ability of your beloved leader and he hasn't even struck the first blowQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I'm a realist and don't put humans on pedestals nor ignore the enormity of the challenge we face or the dufus screwing stuff up in his final days.
Trump has said he will accept the electoral college vote so just the formalities and it is over, but Trump might withdraw all american troops from Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, and anywhere else their presence is no longer welcome. I wonder what traps he has lain for the unwary
"In his long list of harmful decisions to address, President-elect Biden
should start by restoring Utah’s Bears Ears and Grand-Staircase national monuments — eviscerated and reduced by 85 and 50 percent respectively at the behest of extraction-obsessed Utah politicians. He’ll need to reinstate protections for Alaska’s long-held-inviolate Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (opened to leasing and drilling) and the irreplaceable Tongass old-growth temperate rainforest (released to logging). The new president will have to once again close marine sanctuaries to commercial fishing."
https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-e...r-public-lands
Who did this statement originate with?Quote:
"In his long list of harmful decisions to address, President-elect Biden
should start by restoring Utah’s Bears Ears and Grand-Staircase national monuments — eviscerated and reduced by 85 and 50 percent respectively at the behest of extraction-obsessed Utah politicians. He’ll need to reinstate protections for Alaska’s long-held-inviolate Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (opened to leasing and drilling) and the irreplaceable Tongass old-growth temperate rainforest (released to logging). The new president will have to once again close marine sanctuaries to commercial fishing."
https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-e...r-public-lands
sounds like Biden will destroy livlihoods
A definite over-reaction. Drilling on Alaska's North Slope has clearly shown that oil and gas production can nicely coexist with protecting wilderness areas. The amount of land affected is so relatively small that it is negligible. As to the Tongass, the directive is not going to result in stripping the Tongass of all old-growth wood. The directive actually involved the building of logging roads and not the harvesting of timber. The amount of wood cut, which has been going on for decades, is not anticipated to increase. "Even though 9.2 million acres of inventoried roadless areas would be freed from the roadless rule, only 185,000 acres would be added to the areas that may be considered for timber harvest, the Forest Service said.Overall harvest projections remain at 17,000 acres of old growth and 11,800 acres of young growth over the next 100 years, levels envisioned in the 2016 Tongass land management plan.Quote:
He’ll need to reinstate protections for Alaska’s long-held-inviolate Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (opened to leasing and drilling) and the irreplaceable Tongass old-growth temperate rainforest (released to logging).
"The proposed rule does not change the projected timber sale quantity or timber demand projections set out in the Tongass Forest Plan," the Forest Service said in the documents. "The alternatives examine different mixes of land areas and timber restrictions that would incrementally increase management flexibility for how the forest plan's timber harvest goals can be achieved, but does not fundamentally alter the plan's underlying goals or projected outcomes."
The Forest Service also said it's not changing its most recent conclusion that an annual harvest of 45 million board feet of timber from the Tongass is "reasonable, conservative, and based on the best available information."
https://www.eenews.net/stories/1061400273
yes there is much misinformation on environment issues, the green lobby doesn't want a tree cut, a mine, or a well anywhere
I've been to many national parks and public lands in our beautiful western states and don't want oil rigs and big trucks and fracking between and among the breathtaking arches and spires and in the canyons have moved in.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I'll bet you've never been to Tangass or ANWR. Very few people have. Managing national resources doesn't mean you never cut a tree down or bore a hole. It means exercising common sense so that those lands adequately serve a number of purposes.Quote:
I've been to many national parks and public lands in our beautiful western states and don't want oil rigs and big trucks and fracking between and among the breathtaking arches and spires and in the canyons have moved in.
Managing natural resources doesn't mean cutting them down and drilling them out, meanwhile despoiling the land. Have you ever been to Bryce or Zion or the Grand Canyon? (I can hear you now, "Oh, look at this enormous hole -- perfect as a landfill!")Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Of course it does. National forest are logged frequently. One of the problems we are having in the west is the forests that are never logged end up with a lot of dead wood either standing or on the ground, and burn like a furnace when fires start. It is actually good for forests to manage them properly. And if there is oil or gas under fed land, why on earth would we not get it? It is done with very little disruption to the landscape. It is certainly much less disruptive that those windmills and solar panel farms that are being put up. Are you against those as well?Quote:
Managing natural resources doesn't mean cutting them down and drilling them out,
It is just your kind of waayyyy over the top environmentalism that we need to avoid like the plague.
No one is suggesting we log the GC. It is national forests that are primarily in discussion. Are you getting your arguments from AOC?Quote:
Have you ever been to Bryce or Zion or the Grand Canyon? (I can hear you now, "Oh, look at this enormous hole -- perfect as a landfill!")
The last time you went to the North Slope of Alaska, did you notice the oil wells and pipelines???
Let's be practical and examine the real time market forces on drilling the North Slope, starting with this
Alaska Ballot Measure 1, North Slope Oil Production Tax Increase Initiative (2020) - Ballotpedia
and considering the market forces that stopped the drilling in the first place.
Alaska Journal | ConocoPhillips to resume drilling in December
As noted in the article the dufus drill baby drill policy may not be the policy going forward, since the dufus got booted.Quote:
The price for Alaska North Slope crude averaged $16.55 per barrel in April, according to the state Revenue Department. Oil prices have rebounded since and are generally stable in the $40 per barrel range .
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