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I don't understand your comment and demand for an explanation.

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This is what he does. He asks for details from you of whatever is being discussed, then he finds fault with those details and claims his experience/knowledge is superior to yours. He's not a seeker of truth, he's a troll who feeds on arguments and disputes.

His latest tactic (on race) is blaming the victim. He talks about the crime and current difficulties of black folks while completely ignoring 4 centuries of the black experience in the US. He demands solutions yet offers none of his own except the hackneyed ones we've all heard from racists for years.

When he is advised to pay attention to what blacks are saying all over the media - especially in these critical days when so much proof of excessive police violence against blacks is shown constantly on video - he ignores the advice and refuses to enter a dialogue and just returns to his worn comments that serve on one.

It's amazing that towns that are predominantly white have white protestors marching for the first time. But he just ignores that. Not for him to be part of the solution. He prefers the 1950s when segregation was the rule and blacks "knew their place".

Even in Europe, they're protesting. Germany, London, Italy, and all the way from Australia to Brazil to Africa and the Middle East.

Now he will post the usual nasties when he is called on the carpet. Most of us are used to them by now.

Sad. Very sad. When the truth won't work, then just make things up.

I asked, "What subject and how many years? Where?"

Subject taught in inner city school. Public library volunteer coordinator? Not real clear.
How many years? No answer.
Where? No answer.

Why do teachers with the same training succeed when in non inner-city schools? No answer.

Didn't demand an answer. Just a simple, thoughtful question. Answering is up to you. It's not a big deal.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I asked, "What subject and how many years? Where?"

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Why the third degree?

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Public library volunteer coordinator? Not real clear.
How many years? No answer.
Where? No answer.

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You didn't ask until now.

For fifteen years, I was a library volunteer coordinator, matching a total of 25-30 volunteers (plus, at our library, disinterested and even resistant, community service workers) with library jobs that suited their skill set and benefited the library. I made every effort to ensure that they each felt comfortable with their jobs and fully understood their responsibilities. Meanwhile, I was also the head cataloger.

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Why do teachers with the same training succeed when in non inner-city schools? No answer.

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This is the first time you asked this.

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Didn't demand an answer. Just a simple, thoughtful question. Answering is up to you. It's not a big deal.

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Huh? When?

How dare those inner city folks rebel against your superior breeding and training. They should stop complaining and do as they're told.

Please engage sarcasm font to max degree.

I posted, "I asked, 'What subject and how many years? Where?'" That was my exact question I asked several posts earlier. Your reply? "You didn't ask until now." And as it turns out, according to your reply, you have never taught a subject in an inner city school classroom unless, of course, you count a library as an inner city school. That's why I ask for clarifications. I certainly don't discount your experiences and I accept that you did well, but coordinating volunteers is not teaching.

Also, several posts ago, I asked this. "Amazing how teachers with the same training do well in middle class schools. Explanation??" When I repeated the question above, only slightly reworded, your reply? "This is the first time you asked this." So as of now, asked twice, answered zero times.

It's really my fault. I should have known better.

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How dare those inner city folks rebel against your superior breeding and training.

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I did it for 17 years. You go do it for even 17 days and we can talk about it. Until then, sarcasm is all you have.

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I posted, "I asked, 'What subject and how many years? Where?'" That was my exact question I asked several posts earlier. Your reply? "You didn't ask until now." And as it turns out, according to your reply, you have never taught a subject in an inner city school classroom unless, of course, you count a library as an inner city school. That's why I ask for clarifications. I certainly don't discount your experiences and I accept that you did well, but coordinating volunteers is not teaching.

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Yes, I've taught in an inner city school, but since you've decided to be so nasty about it, that's where my recounting ends.

Of course, a volunteer/cs worker coordinator is teaching! It's very hands-on teaching. I just didn't sit in my comfy office chair, waving a scepter. I had to interview each individual, figure out suitable jobs, train (TEACH!) them how to do the jobs, always be aware of how and what the volunteers/cs workers were doing, how well they were doing, be able to tactfully correct errors they were making, and instill in them a sense of pride that they were adding to their own store of knowledge and contributing to their community. (Gee, sounds like a teaching job to me...)

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Also, several posts ago, I asked this. "Amazing how teachers with the same training do well in middle class schools. Explanation??" When I repeated the question above, only slightly reworded, your reply? "This is the first time you asked this." So as of now, asked twice, answered zero times.

It's really my fault. I should have known better.

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Sorry. I didn't read back far enough apparently. Please, in the future, instead of using all that energy to retype, refer to an earlier post by its number. Don't restate it.

Being honest is not being nasty, but it's all good.

I don't think you have been a classroom teacher in an inner city school, but perhaps that was the case. At any rate, it is a different deal from coordinating volunteers. I would think it is dramatically different, and I would think that if you had even taught a year, you would know that for certain.

The public school board in Minneapolis voted unanimously to terminate its contract with the city’s police department. Other cities are considering same. How is that going to affect education in inner city schools ?

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How is that going to affect education in inner city schools ?

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I would guess not much. They will simply hire private security. Might even save some money.

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I don't think you have been a classroom teacher in an inner city school, but perhaps that was the case.

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So now, I'm lying???

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At any rate, it is a different deal from coordinating volunteers. I would think it is dramatically different, and I would think that if you had even taught a year, you would know that for certain.

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Someday, if you're ever nice to me on a regular basis, I'll tell you how similar they are -- which I tried to explain already in my post #147. I'll tell you about John L. (black student) and Brandon M. (black cs worker). I used the same psychology and teaching methods for both of them with great results.

What a world we have! Corrupt cops, corrupt teachers, corrupt politicians, corrupt citizens? And this is the land of the free home of the brave? Please Scotty beam me up! These MoFos is crazy!

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So now, I'm lying???

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Unanswered questions lead to doubts.

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What a world we have! Corrupt cops, corrupt teachers, corrupt politicians, corrupt citizens? And this is the land of the free home of the brave? Please Scotty beam me up! These MoFos is crazy!

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Tell me Tal, if you can? to what do you attribute to the cause of this corruption? I say it is the big I, this so called freedom where every man thinks he is better than his neighbour. You have drunk the koolaid and plunged your nation into chaos, and all in the name of rights. The rule of law is overturned and anarchy prevails, and nowhere is this more evident than in the leadership. The eighteenth century thinking doesn't serve any longer because there is only lip service to the ideals of equality. Every man is equal as long as his skin colour is the same, thus it was then and nothing has changed

You have no rights in Australia?

Every man thinks he is better than his neighbor? That is garbage. Of course it is true in some instances, just like it is everywhere, but it is not even close to being a major problem. You don't live here. How could you possibly know that such a thing is true?

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Sad. Very sad. When the truth won't work, then just make things up.

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Not much of a reply. It's always difficult to reply to the truth.

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You have no rights in Australia?

Every man thinks he is better than his neighbor? That is garbage. Of course it is true in some instances, just like it is everywhere, but it is not even close to being a major problem. You don't live here. How could you possibly know that such a thing is true?

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we don't have the right to be idiots and endanger our neighbour or to be corrupt, we have a different ethos. I read, I study history and what I see is some sort of slavish adherence to eighteenth century thinking. Just because some educated men laid down some basics but didn't believe they applied to them doesn't mean all the ideas were sound or applicable to life over two hundred years later. Capitalist society is a society based on greed and exploitation, unfortunately, socialism can suffer from the same failure and what works is something in the middle of absolute freedom and absolute control. Your president thinks he has absolute control and there are very few checks of what he does and what he says. Democracy is more than the election of a tyrant and what tyou are seeing is the will of the people, true democracy and the powerful seek to deny it

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Capitalist society is a society based on greed and exploitation, unfortunately, socialism can suffer from the same failure and what works is something in the middle of absolute freedom and absolute control.

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Capitalism is not based on greed or exploitation. It is simply based on the private ownership of the economy. It is the greatest economic system in existence. It does need to be regulated lest greed lead to exploitation, but that can happen under socialism as well. There is a difference between a nanny state, which is what I think you prefer, and a capitalist economy. But don't worry. We will likely kill the goose that laid that golden egg, as will you.

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Tell me Tal, if you can? to what do you attribute to the cause of this corruption? I say it is the big I, this so called freedom where every man thinks he is better than his neighbour. You have drunk the koolaid and plunged your nation into chaos, and all in the name of rights. The rule of law is overturned and anarchy prevails, and nowhere is this more evident than in the leadership. The eighteenth century thinking doesn't serve any longer because there is only lip service to the ideals of equality. Every man is equal as long as his skin colour is the same, thus it was then and nothing has changed

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Racism is but the tool of those that seek control of the circulation of the money supply. Divide and conquer. Equality comes from access to capital. I think it has always been that way. The social order reflects that to a great extent, as we still adhere to a class system that promotes the uber rich, and working poor, and most in between. In that respect nothing has changed, except the willingness to be dependent on the uber rich and a free market capitalist system aided and abetted by the government functions they control. Since ancient times it's always been about the money, and who controls the supply of it.

Freedom and equality were for some and not others and that's just history. It was then and is now the great distraction for who controls the MONEY! All these side issues of religion and guns add to the distraction, and the rich keep control of the money supply and governments that write the rules to keep it that way. Stop and think what would happen in this country if the poorer black and whites completely dismantled the tools of racism, and focused instead on the economic issues that have made them the bottom tier of a great economic engine that has enriched many. What if they ignored the voices, patterns and policies that say they don't work hard enough to serve the corporate masters to deserve a LIVING wage?

What if anyone's well being didn't depend on the business cycle contractions? What if you could more than double the countries economy just by a simple thing that eliminates poverty? Never been done you say? We should ask ourselves why NOT? My answer is that the zeal for more money, power, and control of the money has corrupted and bankrupted our own common sense.

We never should have bought the snake oil from the huckster, no not the dufus, can't entirely blame him, but from those founding fathers that sold us the notions of freedom and didn't deliver.

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What if you could more than double the countries economy just by a simple thing that eliminates poverty? Never been done you say?

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I guess it's too much to hope that you will share this idea?

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