Paraclete: THE PATRIOT ACT! WOW! I remember that "Feel Good" legislation.....man did that ever help preserve OUR RIGHTS and make us all feel so safe! All it costs us was a good chunk of our liberty: a small price to pay for more government control over every single aspect of our lives!

Here is something Talaniman, jlisenbe, and Athose can all agree with me on: The no thinking, sheople, idiots of this country, whether they be Repubs, Demos, Libertarians, Christians, Jews, whatever whatever need to take heed of what Ben Franklin said:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Got to say, these "State Department" type bureaucrats, some of them lifelong, are all, even the women, very creepy, very slimy people! I don't get why they are so fawned over and lauded: Sondland and Vinman, particularly, are not to be trusted.....Did you notice how shifty (pardon the pun) Vinman was during testimony: He kept looking down and to his right: This is an Italian "Tell" for someone who is lying....and Vinman was lying like a madman!

I don't know if they were lying or not, but when Sondland told the committee that the pres told him there was no quid pro quo and that he expected nothing from Zelensky, then why didn't they just drop the gavel, dismiss the hearing, and all go home? It's over for those who know the meaning of English words.

Fiona Hill testifies today, and she has FIRST hand knowledge of the meetings that took place and who did what. I hope they get into the talking point Devin Nunes parrots about Ukraine, and not Russia meddled in the 2016 election. This whole thing could be put to bed with the appearance of those others with first hand knowledge appearing under oath, like Pomeo, Pence, Bolton, and Mulvaney.

Why would they refuse if everything is so legal and above board? No the dufus would rather obstruct the investigation than get the truth out. Sondland says they were kept in the loop so let's hear what they have to say...under OATH.

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That's the motto of the dems. "What til you hear what the next guy says!" Now Sondland clearly stated that the pres told him there was no quid pro quo and no demands made on Zelensky. He agreed that he knew of no linkage. The Uke PM and foreign minister both say there was no linkage. But by George, wait til the next witness! This gets tiresome after a while.

Talaniman: Here is a major issue with anyone in either of these "camps": Loyalty and Disloyalty. Loyalty, despite whether that loyalty is on the side of a cause you despise or are in favor of, is a very admirable trait. Disloyalty, whether it is favorable to a cause you support or one you despise, is entirely repulsive. Trump may be a lot of things, bad in some ways maybe good in others, but one thing is for sure: TRUMP ISN'T WORTH A DAMN AT PICKING PEOPLE TO WORK FOR HIM THAT ARE LOYAL! I have never seen so many people turn on a man like I have seen those turn on Trump. Its hard for me to come to terms with disloyalty, particularly in the workplace.....and when I hear it expressed or see it in action, it sickens me. The career bureaucrats that have turned on Trump and, effectively, backstabbed him, have sealed their reputations as to never be trusted again.....Vinman says that people he works with don't want to include him in meetings anymore: Why is that surprising? I don't think anyone like treachery.

JL and Vac7, I doubt that I will hold your defense of a lying, cheating, dufus against you. Isn't that what right wing conservative southerners do? I understand. Frankly I enjoy the repubs trying to defend their dufus.

Talaniman: I fully anticipated you coming back slinging stuff.....A few points: I don't think I was "defending" anything, other than saying that DISLOYALTY is DISHONORABLE: Do you not agree? Conversely, I was simply stating that LOYALTY WAS HONORABLE. The mere fact that a lot of these BUREAUCRATS ACCEPTED JOBS THAT TRUMP GAVE THEM, AND NOW THEY ARE BITING THE HAND THAT GAVE THEM A HAND, TELLS YOU A LOT ABOUT THE RANCID, UNSCRUPULOUS NATURE OF THESE BEAUROCRATS CHARACTER: THEY ARE TURDS! Did you ever turn on a man that gave you a job? I bet you didn't! If you had a problem with a superior, you simply put in for a transfer or left the job completely....you didn't try to torpedo the man who hired you, even if you had issue with him....that is what real men do.

I will take the liberty to speak for JL on this: All of these comments have little to do with anything "conservative" or "Southern"....but they have everything to do with what is right and what is wrong. The public lynching/attempted coup of a duly elected POTUS by a conspiracy of ideological zealots is unbecoming of the United States and, in fact, is unprecedented.....the whole thing sets a horrible precedence for future Administrations to contend with because the same tactic can be duplicated upon Demos as it is being acted upon a Repub POTUS.

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You mean being impeached? Andrew Johnson? Richard Nixon? Bill Clinton?

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Talaniman: I fully anticipated you coming back slinging stuff.....A few points: I don't think I was "defending" anything, other than saying that DISLOYALTY is DISHONORABLE: Do you not agree? Conversely, I was simply stating that LOYALTY WAS HONORABLE. The mere fact that a lot of these BUREAUCRATS ACCEPTED JOBS THAT TRUMP GAVE THEM, AND NOW THEY ARE BITING THE HAND THAT GAVE THEM A HAND, TELLS YOU A LOT ABOUT THE RANCID, UNSCRUPULOUS NATURE OF THES BEAUROCRATS CHARACTER: THEY ARE TURDS! Did you ever turn on a man that gave you a job? I bet you didn't! If you had a problem with a superior, you simply put in for a transfer or left the job completely....you didn't try to torpedo the man who hired you, even if you had issue with him....that is what real men do.

I will take the liberty to speak for JL on this: All of these comments have little to do with anything "conservative" or "Southern"....but they have everything to do with what is right and what is wrong. The public lynching/attempted coup of a duly elected POTUS by a conspiracy of ideological zealots is unbecoming of the United States and, in fact, is unprecedented.....the whole thing sets a horrible precedence for future Administrations to contend with because the same tactic can be duplicated upon Demos as it is being acted upon a Repub POTUS.

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Stuff it will you. None of the people who have testified owes the dufus a darn thing not even loyalty, and all have served several presidents and all over the world for many tears. Heck I have yet to hear any of them acknowledge a party affiliation. Conservative southerners is MY characterization of you and JL, and accurate to my knowledge so please save me the dufus language of hoax and witch hunts and such to defend a guy whose asking a favor of a foreign country to get dirt on his fellow American and political foe. That's the disgusting stuff you should be concerned about.

Haven't heard any righty address that at all and don't expect you too! That's a shame!

W.G.: NO! Not being IMPEACHED: IMPEACHMENT was put into place in the Constitution by men a lot smarter than me and men who had divine wisdom, which I also do not possess and which is not possessed by any man in our Government today. IMPEACHMENT is needed when it is justified....and that is the key. Richard Nixon was not IMPEACHED....probably would have been if he stayed around long enough. But, if you have listened to the Trump Impeachment Inquiry proceeding, I think you can tell that nothing has been stated that is illegal or an IMPEACHABLE offense.....Adam Schiff is a highly partisan leader of this cabal and evidence suggest that the Demos have been talking IMPEACHMENT of Trump from the day he was elected.....This is nothing akin to JUSTICE, it is, however, very akin to a coup.

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I will take the liberty to speak for JL on this: All of these comments have little to do with anything "conservative" or "Southern"....but they have everything to do with what is right and what is wrong. The public lynching/attempted coup of a duly elected POTUS by a conspiracy of ideological zealots is unbecoming of the United States and, in fact, is unprecedented.....the whole thing sets a horrible precedence for future Administrations to contend with because the same tactic can be duplicated upon Demos as it is being acted upon a Repub POTUS.

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Pretty well stated, Vac. The dems need to figure out that before you can impeach someone, you should first be able to demonstrate guilt.

You know I'm still going with stupidity, what has been demonstrated is that there is nothing worth discussing among current events, just boring crap

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asking a favor of a foreign country to get dirt on his fellow American and political foe.

That's the disgusting stuff you should be concerned about.

Haven't heard any righty address that at all and don't expect you too!

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Waiting for you righties to quite crying foul and address the reason for the INQUIRY.

As I said, STUPIDITY! or perhaps as trump said, SCUM! can we move on?

You can do whatever you want Clete. What's stopping you? Oh that's right your island burns and the roos is getting BBQ'd, and you Aussies don't know what to do.

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You can do whatever you want Clete. What's stopping you? Oh that's right your island burns and the roos is getting BBQ'd, and you Aussies don't know what to do.

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Next time you BBQ some lefties in 'fornia I'll show the same sensitivity Tal, or perhaps the next time Texarse gets hit by a hurricane or a caravan. You think it amusing that we have a small problem, well I find it amusing you have an insurmountable problem. My problem will be a memory next week but yours will linger on, maybe for another five years

You should know better than to get in the way when I'm chunkin' rocks at the wingers.

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I've already addressed the problem. The dems are still mad about Saint Hillary losing. They are bitter and think they have Trump in a bind, but I suspect this thing is going to come back and bite them when it begins to dawn upon everyone that they have no real evidence.

Russia if your listening, I need your help AGAIN! Of course Vlad is listening.