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I haven't researched which currently illegal drugs are being used and which of those should be legalized. *putting on my librarian hat*

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Well, I guess we'll just wait.

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Well, I guess we'll just wait.

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Help yourself to a few opioids in that bowl on the coffeetable.

Border patrol today interdicted the largest illegal fentanyl shipment ever at the Mexican border . 254 lb worth .But heroin is the biggest threat according to the DEA and 2nd easiestonly to pot to obtain. The primary source is from poppy fields grown in Mexico and imported into the US by the cartels .The fentanyl is primarily made in China and smuggled into the US through the southern border although a growing trend is to ship into ports or in parcels sent direct from China.

The weakest argument to me in favor of the wall is drug interdiction. Unless the demand side of drug abuse is addressed then interdiction is at best a half measure .

You talk of refugees ? Well that is debatable because there is no provision in US law or international law that allows for economic refugee status .There are laws for the admission of refugees into the country and that does not include the bum rushing of the border . Refugee applications should be made BEFORE entry into the country and anyone who violates that is breaking the law and should be dealt with appropriately with immediate deportation .

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Refugee applications should be made BEFORE entry into the country and anyone who violates that is breaking the law and should be dealt with appropriately with immediate deportation .

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...after their children are taken away and sent to camps where they will be drugged and kept in cages.

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.after their children are taken away and sent to camps where they will be drugged and kept in cages.

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Yeah, and those high schoolers from Kentucky assaulted a nice Native American man who is a Vietnam veteran.

One story is about as true as the other.

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Yeah, and those high schoolers from Kentucky assaulted a nice Native American man who is a Vietnam veteran.

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Assaulted? You apparently haven't been keeping up with emerging details on that story.

You're saying no children were separated from parents and then drugged and caged?

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Assaulted? You apparently haven't been keeping up with emerging details on that story.

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I was saying that the high school kids story was about as true as you suggesting taking kids from parents and putting them into cages is standard operating procedure by the border patrol.

come here legally ;problem solved . I am not swayed by sob stories .

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come here legally ;problem solved . I am not swayed by sob stories .

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Border patrol today interdicted the largest illegal fentanyl shipment ever at the Mexican border . 254 lb worth .But heroin is the biggest threat according to the DEA and 2nd easiestonly to pot to obtain. The primary source is from poppy fields grown in Mexico and imported into the US by the cartels .The fentanyl is primarily made in China and smuggled into the US through the southern border although a growing trend is to ship into ports or in parcels sent direct from China.

The weakest argument to me in favor of the wall is drug interdiction. Unless the demand side of drug abuse is addressed then interdiction is at best a half measure .

You talk of refugees ? Well that is debatable because there is no provision in US law or international law that allows for economic refugee status .There are laws for the admission of refugees into the country and that does not include the bum rushing of the border . Refugee applications should be made BEFORE entry into the country and anyone who violates that is breaking the law and should be dealt with appropriately with immediate deportation .

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Tom I know you are trying to address the practicalities rather than the political nuiances, however the border wall is a political issue. Like locks, walls only stop honest people. As these illegals have overwhelmed the border, the practicalities of finding, arresting and deporting millions is daunting to say the least, which is why it hasn't happened. There is a way but you liberty loving will not take it. Identity card, photo ID, only obtainable by proving citizenship. Without it and a Green Card where applicable, anyone caught by whatever means, violation, traffic stop, etc and you can do your catch and release once you have solved the problem of how to actually transport millions and have them accepted Those FEMA camps would come in handy

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I guess that's why they put them around prisons?? Around the Vatican?

It's also true that door locks only stop honest people, but we all use them. Why? Because it's makes it much more difficult for DIShonest people to cross, and therefore slows down the traffic. Same thing is true of border guards, but no one suggests we do away with them.

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Without it and a Green Card where applicable, anyone caught by whatever means, violation, traffic stop, etc and you can do your catch and release once you have solved the problem of how to actually transport millions and have them accepted Those FEMA camps would come in handy.

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I'm tempted to agree with you, but having to have your "papers" with you at all times reminds me too much of Nazi Germany.

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I'm tempted to agree with you, but having to have your "papers" with you at all times reminds me too much of Nazi Germany.

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Do you drive without a drivers licence? If you travel overseas do you take your passport with you? I don't see the difference

I see your point, but the DL is only to show that you are a qualified driver. To have to identify yourself for simply sitting in your house or walking down the street seems excessive.

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I see your point, but the DL is only to show that you are a qualified driver. To have to identify yourself for simply sitting in your house or walking down the street seems excessive.

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Where I come from driver's licence is defacto photo ID and I carry a Social Security ID and a Medicare ID both issued by the government. It is no big deal, But one thing for sure no one can say I'm not a citizen

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Where I come from driver's licence is defacto photo ID and I carry a Social Security ID and a Medicare ID both issued by the government. It is no big deal, But one thing for sure no one can say I'm not a citizen.

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Pretty much the same thing here. Most people have their DL all the time and we old folk carry our medicare card with us, but very few carry a SS card since people love to steal SS numbers in order to make a fake credit card account. However, in many states, an illegal immigrant can get a DL, so that becomes less reliable.

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Pretty much the same thing here. Most people have their DL all the time and we old folk carry our medicare card with us, but very few carry a SS card since people love to steal SS numbers in order to make a fake credit card account. However, in many states, an illegal immigrant can get a DL, so that becomes less reliable.

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In order to get any kind of bank account here you need three forms of ID, a passport or drivers licence, mail with your address on it such as a utility bill, and the other ID's.

The law actually says that any immigrant can apply for asylum, and be duly processed and adjudicated. A great deal of them do get deported. Hiding kids not new nor losing them either and it did make Obama stop and change the process, but the dufus brought it back on steroids until a court stepped in.

Not sure about legalizing anything but pot, but for sure it, and other drugs should be reclassified and decriminalized immediately. At least a chance for some to get clean enough to pass the drug test for first hires, and help for the working slug. At least like they do for drinkers. Which I think is a highly more destruct drug than is pot. But there has always been a huge market for a variety of drugs here. That's not going to be solved with jails or walls or treatment. That 254 lbs. of the fent is probably a small amount compared to what they didn't find though for sure.

Wonder how much the dufus made of his illegals? He sends in a request every year for cheap labor, and I doubt if he cares about the papers. Obviously it's been going on for whatever reason for a long time since those fired folks been here for many years working for him.

What a strange attitude towards freedom we are developing in our country. Free to smoke pot (and at least according to WG, free to take certain drugs now illegal), freedom to marry same sex, but not free to choose not to participate in that wedding. Freedom for a man to go into the women's restroom so long as he is wearing a dress. Just a strange series of events. I don't think we value the true meaning of freedom anymore.

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Freedom for a man to go into the women's restroom so long as he is wearing a dress.

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JL, have you ever been in a women's washroom? Do you know how they're designed?

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JL, have you ever been in a women's washroom? Do you know how they're designed?

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Strange to say, I have. Twice, to be exact, and both times inadvertently. I'm sure you are trying to make the point that there are toilets in stalls, so there is privacy. Now if you want your 10 year old daughter in the restroom with a man on that basis, then go for it, but I think it's a basically crazy idea with no justification other than the equally crazy idea that if a man thinks he is a woman, then he surely must be.