You'll be defending german beer halls soon enough, Munich is not far from the Ukraine as Hitler pointed out so adequately. Yes by all means let Japan take on China for you, that is if they can find any young men. Your pivot to asia was foolish rhetoric fit only for electioneering and you should see the Pacific for what it is, a barrier and not your personal pond. Your nation is now some centuries old and your empire becoming shaky. You should let go gracefully, you may find allies you didn't know you had

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You'll be defending german beer halls soon enough, Munich is not far from the Ukraine as Hitler pointed out so adequately. Yes by all means let Japan take on China for you, that is if they can find any young men. Your pivot to asia was foolish rhetoric fit only for electioneering and you should see the Pacific for what it is, a barrier and not your personal pond. Your nation is now some centuries old and your empire becoming shaky. You should let go gracefully, you may find allies you didn't know you had

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lol you'll miss pax Americana . You may like the next global hegemon even less. In fact I'm sure you will . You know what's even worse than a uni-polar and bi-polar world ? ..... a multi-polar world . But you are used to that . You have always clung on to the skirts of the queen. Even when you had a chance to break completely free ,you voted down a republican form of government .

We voted down a form of government which was a perpetuation of what we have with a different figurehead, republican might be your intrepretation. The power in our form of government doesn't rest with the executive in the way yours does. The executive is more an idea than a position.We like the idea that our politicians have to explain themselves even if it is a bit of a bullpit, but we don't like those star chambers so popular in your form of government.

The queen is really a distant memory trotted out for rare ceremonial occasions, but if Britain leaves the EU our day may come again so we won't cut all ties. Undoubtedly the debate regarding a republic will be trotted out again probably for the next election.

What is this myth of pax-americana, you are continually at war with someone, and if you aren't actually shooting you are sabre rattling. You like the idea that you have a sphere of influence and anyone within it must toe your line, but we see the world differently. The threats to us are not the threats to you and yet we seem to be involved in fighting side by side with you

US spending on Islamic State fight totals $2.7bn - BBC News

$9 million a day, in my simple maths that's a billion a year and so far you think you have killed 10,000 terrorsts without really gaining any territory. So that's $100,000 a terrorist, at that rate you could pay them to leave the battlefield and have the same effect. A cost benefit analysis would suggest this scenario isn't very effective and the cost is about to increase. I have a distinct feeling of dejavu and I see a Gulf of Tonkin comng on, that incident that will see a scaling up isn't far away

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$9 million a day, in my simple maths that's a billion a year and so far you think you have killed 10,000 terrorsts without really gaining any territory. So that's $100,000 a terrorist, at that rate you could pay them to leave the battlefield and have the same effect. A cost benefit analysis would suggest this scenario isn't very effective and the cost is about to increase. I have a distinct feeling of dejavu and I see a Gulf of Tonkin comng on, that incident that will see a scaling up isn't far away

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I cannot defend the way the emperor executes the war ,and just about anything else he does.

Did you not see that dates for the other two much more expensive expenditures?

What would you guys do if you were in charge?

do mean in terms of cleaning up the mess the emperor created when he snatched defeat from the jaws of victory ?

You call that a victory? There was no victory in Iraq, just swapping one fool for another.

What would you do after throwing out insults? Like, what productive things?

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They don't let us be in change very often, we usually use the direct approach and do the unexpected. It is very clear that Daesh can only be defeated with overwhelming force, what your leader likes to describe as "boots on the ground". Was the gulf war won by a few hunded advisers? The kid gloves approach being used at the moment doesn't work and the Iraqi have no stomach for a fight and this can be understood in the context of how much war the generations have faced. They are undoubtedly a demoralised nation so standing back and saying you do it isn't the answer Flatten the place any civilians still there are hostiles

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They don't let us be in change very often, we usually use the direct approach and do the unexpected. It is very clear that Daesh can only be defeated with overwhelming force, what your leader likes to describe as "boots on the ground". Was the gulf war won by a few hunded advisers? The kid gloves approach being used at the moment doesn't work and the Iraqi have no stomach for a fight and this can be understood in the context of how much war the generations have faced. They are undoubtedly a demoralised nation so standing back and saying you do it isn't the answer Flatten the place any civilians still there are hostiles

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And that'll take care of the problem? The collateral damage, even to innocents, is part of the price paid?

Take charge then Clete and show us how to get the job done.

Unfortunately Tal they didn't make me CIC but once your resolve was apparent the enemy would fade away They understand only one thing; death I reckon a couple of SAS regiments could do it, yes a division should be enough

As I said wondergirl those who remain are not innocents, the innocents have fled. Were there innocents in Hiroshuma?

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Unfortunately Tal they didn't make me CIC but once your resolve was apparent the enemy would fade away They understand only one thing; death I reckon a couple of SAS regiments could do it, yes a division should be enough

As I said wondergirl those who remain are not innocents, the innocents have fled. Were there innocents in Hiroshuma?

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Yes, of course there were.

Clete is right

Why send more kids, when one nuke would do.

That's it Tom a deterrent is not a deterrent if it is never used and this generation has forgotten it even exists, so I'm sure there is a small town occupied by terrorists that could be the first target. The impact of their suicide bombers terrified the Iraqi army, how terrified might Daesh be at the thought they might get killed without actually getting to kill the enemy. Takes the fun out of it. They might need some more virgins to overcome the terror and once it works in one place I suggest Racca you can warn the population and then destroy the inferstructure and if they don't give up just select the target. The innocents will flee.

Look it does't even have to be a nuc, 10000 lbs of C4 makes a very big bang, what happened to those bunker buster bombs

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I sort of feel what's happening in Iraq and many parts of the world amounts to the same thing. Daesh are an unwanted group in Iraq unfortunately their presence creates push factors in other places. It is time the world woke up illegal immigration in any form is not acceptable

Khaled Sharrouf and Mohammed Elomar killed fighting with Islamic State in Mosul, reports say - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Well, this has got to be good news in the fight against Daesh, these fellows have been in our face demonstrating the worst of jihadism and while we wait for the Iraqi to become mobile we can be assured something is happening