and the rest are the conservatives /TP

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Then why do lib/progressive statists think they can keep big government without the influence of big business ?

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They might think that, but they are wrong.

I don't think doing what's good for business at the expense of working class Americans with policies that make them poorer is a good position for republicans to take.

I mean if you want to cut social welfare programs and not cut corporate welfare programs then most would agree that's an unfair stance to take. Especially when you protect job creators and label working poor people as lazy takers and argue they deserve no help or relief after a recession, and big business has done great recovering and hoarding.

You take pensions for people who have worked, subsidies big business labor costs and then argue for no minimum wage increase, and swear extending unemployment for workers who are seeking jobs that aren't there don't deserve a dime. How can you even say redistribution of the wealth is bad and at the same time most of the wealth goes to fewer people?

Go ahead give big business more, and take from the ones who have nothing, and gotten nothing, and can expect nothing. Who are the real takers here Tom?

How you can keep griping about policies that make us poorer while Obama is making me and many others poorer is beyond me.

Well said by the guy who takes prevailing wage benefits while doing nothing to get them. Go ask your boss why he hasn't given you a raise and go ask the insurance company why they can't cut your premiums.

All big business has to do is blame government/Obama for jacking up the prices, and you haters go yeah, yeah, and they run to the bank with more of your money like they have always done. Go tell Ted to quite costing you money, and send some to you. Why you haven't is beyond me.

Excuse me, I do Ok for myself when the government isn't busy making my insurance cost more, keeping the economy stagnant, doing all it can to make energy prices skyrocket, raising taxes and fees, etc.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Who are the real takers here Tom?

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The government of course . You still try to disconnect the Dems from the government polices ,and place total blame on the Repubics (who I've already admitted share some of the blame ...especially the inside the beltway statist Repubics). You think the Dems are the champions of the down-trodden when at best ;all they do is sing the right chorus while in fact either doing nothing to fix it ,or enacting laws which have unintended consequences of doing the opposite.Good intentions don't get it done..

The song you guys sing is against all the things we want, higher minimum wage, unemployment insurance, and a jobs bill that partners government with or without big business.

Cruz, Rubio, Paul, lead the chorus of just say NO!! What's there intentions?

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The song you guys sing is against all the things we want, higher minimum wage, unemployment insurance, and a jobs bill that partners government with or without big business.

Cruz, Rubio, Paul, lead the chorus of just say NO!! What's there intentions?

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Of course its against things you want, which is total government dependence. But here's a scoop for you and your constant union apologies, Scott Walker's Public Employee Union reform has led to decertification of more than 70 teacher's unions.

Seems more and more workers are rejecting unions that gouge them and the taxpayers to fatten their own wallets and engage in liberal political activism instead of looking after their interests.

Hello again, Steve:

Yeah, well paid teachers and well paid factory workers aren't fertile ground for union's any more.. It's kinda hard, as you know, to support the WELL PAID.

So, that's why they're organizing the fast food workers. They're the garment workers of today. To ME, they're NOT hard to support. You??? Nahhhh... You LIKE that they make $7.25/hr.

excon

Bless your heart, you really think the unions are actually trying to help these people.

Hello again, Steve:

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Bless your heart, you really think the unions are actually trying to help these people.

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Do you think I wanna HELP my employees when I hire them??? Altruistic, I AIN'T.

Bless your heart too, Steve.

excon

Unions helped you get the wages and benefits you have now without YOU lifting a finger, or spending a dime.

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Unions helped you get the wages and benefits you have now without YOU lifting a finger, or spending a dime.

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And that means I should bow to their political agenda? I don't think so, and apparently a lot more union think the same way hence the WI votes. The unions just see a way to try and build up their dwindling membership by hooking in fast food workers so they can pad their wallets again and fund their radical politics.

So it's was okay for YOU to benefit from unions helping workers, but fast food workers should not have that benefit?

What do you call a guy that bad mouth's somebody that helped them for NO CHARGE?

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So it's was okay for YOU to benefit from unions helping workers, but fast food workers should not have that benefit?

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Who's stopping them from unionizing? Not me. Good luck with that.

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What do you call a guy that bad mouth's somebody that helped them for NO CHARGE?

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A liberal.

Welcome aboard :D