Tired argument, look in the days of swords people carried swords and died in sword fights, carrying weapons didn't stop violence, we have progressed to the gun but we haven't progressed in our thinking. Along with removing guns from the streets must be reeducation into new ways of settling differences and handling crime. You think you can go out there and shoot it out with a perp, you are wrong, dead wrong

This explains it all.

Obama doesn't fear an armed populance he has one and understands that these are not the days of George Washington. The British don't live just over the border any more and the native tribes have been vanquished. The only thing an armed populance can do is make trouble for each other. The citizens militia is a myth, you have a militia in the person of the National Guard and the police force. are you suggesting the populance needs to protect itsself from these citizens?

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Why do you feel it necessary to keep trotting out Lott and Mustard again. I think it was sufficiently addressed last time. Unless, this study provides some new information. It seems to be the same study as last time to me.

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Why criticize me for trotting out research instead of the guy pulling crap out of his rectum that denies the research exists? The stats don't lie, violent crime is down where concealed carry is allowed and high in places with the strictest gun controls. That Detroit's police chief who used to support such restrictions sees the benefit now is newsworthy.

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Obama doesn't fear an armed populance he has one and understands that these are not the days of George Washington.

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His VP thinks you should step out on the porch and pump a couple blasts out of your shotgun.

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are you suggesting the populance needs to protect itsself from these citizens?

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The DHS and the new "Civilian Security Force" authorized by Obamacare (section 5210) are concerning, since they are not answerable to the Congress.

Obama's 'National Security Force?'

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This false claim is a badly distorted version of Obama's call for doubling the Peace Corps, creating volunteer networks and increasing the size of the Foreign Service.

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I find it funny that when he shows what was stated by Obama the author of the article goes on to say well thats not what he really meant. lol

Some fact checking huh? The truth is he said it. That IS a fact. Watching this president rule by the seat of his pants rather then conventional means is turning this country into a laughing stock.

Speech, I don't think he was actually saying that there has been no research. I took his statement to mean the research that exists doesn't prove anything.

I would find it difficult for anyone to believe that no research has ever been done, but you never know I guess.

After the courts struck down Chicago's gun ban the city went back to the drawing board and decided to ban gun sales in the city as part of their crackdown on the second amendment.

How did that work out? Obama appointee Edmond Chang said no dice. According to Chang "the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms for self-defense “must also include the right to acquire a firearm.” Imagine that.

Federal judge rules city ban on handgun sales unconstitutional - Chicago Sun-Times

I wonder if Rahmbo screened this guy before giving him the green light? The ruling is here.

Meanwhile one of the mayors who left the rapidly declining Bloomberg group Mayors Against Illegal Guns had this to say:

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I’m the mayor of one of the largest cities in the Hudson Valley, just 90 minutes north of New York City. I’m a life member of the National Rifle Association and a former member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, or MAIG, started by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg in 2006.

I’m no longer a member of MAIG. Why? Just as Ronald Reagan said of the Democratic Party, it left me. And I’m not alone: Nearly 50 pro-Second Amendment mayors have left the organization. They left for the same reason I did. MAIG became a vehicle for Bloomberg to promote his personal gun-control agenda — violating the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens and taking resources away from initiatives that could actually work to protect our neighborhoods and save precious lives. […]


It did not take long to realize that MAIG’s agenda was much more than ridding felons of illegal guns; that under the guise of helping mayors facing a crime and drug epidemic, MAIG intended to promote confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens. I don’t believe, never have believed and never will believe that public safety is enhanced by encroaching on our right to bear arms, and I will not be a part of any organization that does.

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And that is why we don't trust you anti-gun zealots because we believe that is your intent. Holler about background checks and such all you want, we're not buying it. You want to disarm law abiding citizens. Admit it.

Hello again, Steve:

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You want to disarm law abiding citizens. Admit it.

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Nahhh.. I'm a lib. I'm VERY liberal. I support the ENTIRE Constitution.. Over the ten years or so we've been talking, I've probably said that before. I dunno WHY you haven't heard me. ALL I've ever suggested, is that you pass a background check law that would PREVENT people LIKE me from getting guns..

But, for WHATEVER reason, you're SO twisted up in this gun rights thing, that you're FINE with REAL BAD people - and I mean REAL BAD people - scooping up as many guns as they can carry.. Then you have the balls to complain about Fast & Furious. At LEAST those guns went to Mexico. The guns YOU'RE allowing criminals to get, are IN your neighborhood.

I'm probably gonna have to say it again, aren't I???

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You don't even want a doctor asking you if you have a gun at home before he prescribes mind altering drugs for what ails you. Or he thinks you are dangerous before he describes the drugs.

Admit it, you want your stash to be a secret.

For the thousandth time, we have background checks. What you want is universal registry so stop the obfuscation, that's exactly what I'm talking about and exactly what this mayor and the 50 others that left the group is saying. You cloak yourselves in innocent sounding garbage while your intent is to disarm law abiding citizens. Be honest about it. And no,what I have in my house is not your business and it is not my doctor's business so leave me the hell alone, something your side USED to advocate.

It's everybody's business if you go NUTS, and shoot a bunch of people. Or sell a gun from your secret stash to your crazy cousin for grocery money. Speech I trust you, with my life, but not the rest of your clan.

To be honest, I don't trust everybody in my own clan, and we do have a few NUTS!! So don't take it personally.

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It's everybody's business if you go NUTS, and shoot a bunch of people. Or sell a gun from your secret stash to your crazy cousin for grocery money. Speech I trust you, with my life, but not the rest of your clan.

To be honest, I don't trust everybody in my own clan, and we do have a few NUTS!! So don't take it personally.

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Sorry, my business is my business, stay out of it. I've heard your side make that argument a thousand times, when did you decide to abandon that?

I express my own opinion, and like you I am not responsible for the words and actions of others, no matter what side. In truth, I have heard you make YOUR sides arguments a thousand times too. So what?

And back to the point, Bloomberg and his ilk want to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens. That's troubling, and a total sham of what their group claims to be doing. Agree or not?

Hello again, Steve

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For the thousandth time, we have background checks.

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No, what you have is a law with a LOOPHOLE wide enough to drive a truck through. To pretend that you HAVE a LAW is disingenuous at best. ALL I've ever suggested, is that we pass a background check law that would PREVENT people LIKE me from getting guns..

Here's how the loophole works. This weekend, they're having a gun show at the Evergreen County Fairgrounds in Monroe. You can tell WHO the licensed dealers are. They're inside with a booth, and they won't sell you a gun unless you pass a background check... You can ALSO tell WHO the private sellers are. They don't have a booth. They're standing around with several gun belts over their shoulders and guns sticking out of every pocket. You can buy LOTS and LOTS of guns from him and NEVER have to go through a background check. That means people like me can get all the guns they want, EASILY.

Now, right wingers will tell you that all I'd HAVE to do is run down to the hood to buy my guns.. So, preventing me from buying them at a gun show won't really STOP me. After all, criminals are ALL connected, aren't they??

Of course, that's SOOOOO stupid, I don't really know how to respond..

But, I will. I'm old. I'm white. I DON'T have a criminal ID card. I DON'T have tattoos. I DON'T know anybody in the hood who has guns for sale. If I wandered down to the hood with cash in my hand looking to buy a gun, I'd get my little white excon a$$ shot off.

Now, there are MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people like me. It would seem like right wingers would PREFER people like me NOT to have guns. But, they're SOOOO twisted up into this gun rights thing, that they're ACTUALLY FINE with people like me buying as many guns as they can carry.

Makes NO sense to me.

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Again, back to the point. Focus here people...Bloomberg and his ilk want to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens. That's troubling, and a total sham of what their group claims to be doing. Agree or not?