Ex, we HAVE discussed what's in the bill, we've quoted and linked to relevant passages in the bill and we've quoted Obama and others verbatim on Obamacare. What needs to happen now is to stop making stuff up about us making stuff up and for the Democrats to stop lying and whining.

What's most telling about this whole thing is Democrats are waging a war against American citizens.

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Dear god you sure are given to hyperbole. You and your hero sarah palin.

Imagine all those communist countries!!!!!!
Universal health care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Yep. They are all communist... or at least socialist, which is just a softer version of the same thing. What's your point?


Communism

1. A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.

From - The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition

How's it feel to be living in a communist country?

Elliot

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Yep. They are all communist... or at least socialist, which is just a softer version of the same thing. What's your point?


Communism

1. A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.

From - The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition

How's it feel to be living in a communist country?

Elliot

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Exactly why I don't understand why so many are for these plans of Obama's

Seems like they think government taking away our freedoms is making us free.
I refuse to drink the Kool Aid. I'm in this messed up system we got with eyes wide open

Elliot,

Feels great! You should be so lucky!

LOL!

I like people, you like money and corporations. Never the twain shall meet.

Nah they're not communist . They are Fabian socialists.

Yep fabian socialists and that does not make for a government for the people, by the people

NOPE

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nah they're not communist . they are Fabian socialists.

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Leave him to his belief that the US is the only non-communist country on the planet. We're enjoying the laugh. :)

I consider fabian socialism as communist lite.

And we are routinely bombarded with their pablum

Check this out in the Washington Compost by economist Gregory Clark :

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The battle will be over how to get the economy's winners to pay for an increasingly costly poor. Last weekend Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Lawrence Summers, the director of the White House's National Economic Council, refused to rule out raising taxes. Despite the White House's subsequent denials, this may be an early acknowledgment of an inexorable trend. In a future with higher taxes, the divide between rich and poor would be the central economic challenge. …
So, how do we operate a society in which a large share of the population is socially needy but economically redundant? There is only one answer. You tax the winners — those with the still uniquely human skills, and those owning the capital and land — to provide for the losers. …
The last great hope may be to design a more efficient tax system. … Unfortunately, such measures are only stopgaps. In the end, we may be forced to learn to live in a United States where, by stealth, “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need” becomes the guiding principle of government — or else confront growing, unattended poverty

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080702043.html

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I consider fabian socialism as communist lite.

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Exactly

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Leave him to his belief that the US is the only non-communist country on the planet. We're enjoying the laugh. :)

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Still waiting to hear how government control of health care (or anything else, for that matter) isn't communism.

And I hate to say it, but what makes you think that I believe that the USA ISN'T communist?

As I have posted before:

The government has taken control of 10 of the 12 largest banks in the USA, two of the top 3 auto makers, the largest insurance company, and the largest home mortgage-makers (Fannie-Mae & Freddie Mac). The government is the single largest debt guarantor to small businesses through the SBA. They regulate every industry under the sun, including lighbulb manufacturing and toilet bowl makers. They control energy production and distribution via regulation and taxation. They control the medical industry through the FDA and the food industry through the FDA and USDA. The US government is the single largest borrower and the single largest lender in the USA. It is the single largest real estate owner and the single largest tenant in the USA. It is the single largest purchaser of goods, and the single largest provider of services (usually redundant or useless ones) in the USA.

In what way is this NOT communism?

I'm just trying to preserve what little is left to the regular joe in this country.

Elliot

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And I hate to say it, but what makes you think that I believe that the USA ISN'T communist?

As I have posted before:

In what way is this NOT communism?

I'm just trying to preserve what little is left to the regular joe in this country.

Elliot

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You beat me to it ETW

Good luck. You'll be dead and buried before your ideal comes to fruition.

Yep with the government socialist ideals we know that is a fact. I doubt even my grand kids will see any type of freedom

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Good luck. You'll be dead and buried before your ideal comes to fruition.

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Probably true.

So what?

Some ideals are worth fighting for, even if you never get to see the fruit of your labors come to pass.

And, hey, if Obama's popularity continues to drop as fast as it has been over the past month or so, there's always the possibility that a new government with real CONSERVATIVES (not Republicans and RINOs) can accomplish it much sooner than anyone would think. We came pretty close under Reagan.

Elliot

Chuck Norris wrote an article recently dealing with a provision in the House health care bill. It provides for people trained in parenting to come into your home and show you how to raise your children. You like the sound of that?

Anyone who has had any dealings with child protective services know very well what tyrants these people are.

You want to bring these people into every home that has children?

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Chuck Norris wrote an article recently dealing with a provision in the House health care bill. It provides for people trained in parenting to come into your home and show you how to raise your children. You like the sound of that?

Anyone who has had any dealings with child protective services know very well what tyrants these people are.

You want to bring these people into every home that has children?

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Please quote the provision.

Hello gal:

Chuck Norris has no more credibility on this issue than I do.

excon

CPS people are totalitarian busibodies who ruin the lives of decent parents because of some minor infraction such as spanking. Reminds me of the old saying "People with no children of their own always tell others how to raise theirs."

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CPS people are totalitarian busibodies

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Hello earl:

That's what people say... until some starving kid is found in a dungeon... Then they ask, where was CPS??

Look. I'm not a supporter of 'em. They're too much like cops... But, sometimes you need cops.

excon

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Both Medicare and Social Security are ponzi schemes .

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I really like your analogy there Tom. Tell me, why do you think it's legal for the government to run a ponzi scheme but illegal for Madoff. Perhaps it is he made off with the money, where we can't find who makes off with the money in these other schemes. It might just be you and me :):)