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  • May 11, 2022, 08:42 AM
    Wondergirl
    Schools should have girl menus and boy menus in separate cafeterias. Separate classrooms. Boy school buses and boy school buses. No girl-boy school activities - nature hikes, dances, assemblies, gym classes, etc. In fact, girls and boys should attend separate schools.
  • May 11, 2022, 09:26 AM
    tomder55
    Nope but they definitely should have separate bathrooms and locker rooms .
  • May 11, 2022, 09:41 AM
    jlisenbe
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    Schools should have girl menus and boy menus in separate cafeterias. Separate classrooms. Boy school buses and boy school buses. No girl-boy school activities - nature hikes, dances, assemblies, gym classes, etc. In fact, girls and boys should attend separate schools.
    Not too sure how you got to that simply from a discussion about the insanity of putting female hygiene products in boys restrooms.
  • May 11, 2022, 09:41 AM
    Wondergirl
    Why should they have separate bathrooms? Cubicles would solve the problem of watching someone "evacuate".
  • May 11, 2022, 10:29 AM
    tomder55
    Why should they have separate facilities ? common decency That's all I have to say on the issue . Any other position is just too creepy for me . I totally oppose the world vision of the new left .
  • May 11, 2022, 10:33 AM
    Wondergirl
    Family members share bathrooms. Siblings take baths together. What aren't we supposed to see that we've already seen hundreds of times?
  • May 11, 2022, 12:51 PM
    jlisenbe
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    Siblings take baths together.
    Yeah. That's the answer for sure. We'll just middle schoolers all bathe together.

    I'm not sure how to explain to someone that allowing middle schoolers or high schoolers of both genders to be unsupervised in the same restroom is a recipe for disaster. If you can't see it in about two seconds, then there's no real point in an explanation.
  • May 12, 2022, 04:06 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Family members share bathrooms. Siblings take baths together. What aren't we supposed to see that we've already seen hundreds of times?
    Delving for the irrelevant again ?
  • May 12, 2022, 04:40 AM
    jlisenbe
    I certainly doubt that 13 year old siblings are in the habit of bathing together.
  • May 15, 2022, 12:54 AM
    tomder55
    https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...yw&oe=62863A6A
  • May 15, 2022, 05:09 AM
    tomder55
    I wonder if Clueless even knows or cares about a baby formula shortage. It is his FDA that caused it. Not that they found something wrong in the manufacturing. That happens. The problem becomes major when the bureaucracy gets involved and slow walks the solution.
    A couple of babies died from salmonella. The FDA presumed that there was a problem with the formula the babies received . The FDA was wrong . An investigation by Abbott, FDA and CDC found no evidence that the formulas caused infant illnesses. Micro tests conducted before distribution were negative. The FDA sampled the product from unopened containers after the events and found no evidence of contamination. So the babies that got sick got sick from other sources.
    This was weeks ago .
    The plant involved is still shut down. Meanwhile the shortage has become critical.
    Peppermint Patty Psaki said the administration has been aware of the problem "for weeks now" . Friday Clueless was asked if the administration should've acted sooner . He said ;
    “If we’d been better mind readers I guess we could’ve,” "We moved as quickly as the problem became apparent to us.”

    Either they were aware of the problem and did not act. Or they were not aware of a problem that parents have known about for weeks .

    My own suspicion is that Clueless would've acted sooner had it been a shortage of Ensure.
  • May 15, 2022, 05:54 AM
    jlisenbe
    This is the new America under Biden. It's an America of shortages, exploding prices, monetary foolishness, and liberal dems angry over the loss of the "right" to have unborn babies killed.

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    My own suspicion is that Clueless would've acted sooner had it been a shortage of Ensure.
    That's a classic.
  • May 20, 2022, 11:34 AM
    tomder55
    A transformer Aussie surfer(Sasha Jane Lowerson, a biological male previously known as Ryan Egan,) who had previously won the male West Coast Suspensions Longboard & Logger State Championships decided to compete in the female surfing championship. He of course dominated the competition to be the first person to win both the men and women's titles.
  • Jun 18, 2022, 07:02 PM
    tomder55
    The world is laughing at us

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVjPzyGW...pg&name=medium
  • Jun 18, 2022, 08:39 PM
    Wondergirl
    The world accepted transgender long before we did. Transgenders have been around since forever. Indigenous peoples even have a term for it -- berdache ("two spirit"). These were very important tribe members who were (and probably still are) respected and who accomplished many useful tasks for their tribe.
  • Jun 19, 2022, 05:14 AM
    jlisenbe
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    Indigenous peoples even have a term for it -- berdache ("two spirit").
    The term is a modern invention, French in origin and not native. "Berdache" was not developed by Native Americans. Wiki says, "The term berdache has always been repugnant to Indigenous people." It goes on to say, "The neologism two-spirit was created in English, then translated into Ojibwe, in 1990 at the third annual Native American/First Nations gay and lesbian conference in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada." It's just another invention from the LGBT crowd that is then presented as having historical context which it clearly does not have. It is true that some tribes tolerated men who wanted to engage in traditional female roles. That did happen, but "berdache" is not a Native term.

    It's the usual liberal practice of appealing to fiction and presenting it as fact. The whole issue is presented clearly in Romans 1 where the final step of the rejection of God is the celebration of that which is far out of step with His will.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit#Terminology

    Mirriam Webster said this. "Definition of berdache
    dated, offensive:
    an American Indian who assumes the dress, social status, and role of the opposite sex

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    He of course dominated the competition to be the first person to win both the men and women's titles.
    It's a level of insanity that is difficult to watch.
  • Jun 19, 2022, 09:08 AM
    Wondergirl
    In other words, transgender people have been part of civilization for centuries and have been accepted for their talents and abilities.

    Transgender is biological, not a choice.

    JL, do some honest library research!
  • Jun 19, 2022, 11:35 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    In other words, transgender people have been part of civilization for centuries and have been accepted for their talents and abilities.
    That's stretching it some. Just because some native tribes tolerated them does not mean they, "have been part of civilization for centuries."

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    Transgender is biological, not a choice.
    Evidence?

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    JL, do some honest library research!
    Between the two of us, I'm the only one who did. Follow your own advice.
  • Jun 19, 2022, 11:53 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    That's stretching it some. Just because some native tribes tolerated them does not mean they, "have been part of civilization for centuries."

    Remember? Library research!!!
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    Between the two of us, I'm the only one who did. Follow your own advice.
    You don't even know or understand the science. Once you do, then we can talk more.
  • Jun 19, 2022, 01:24 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Remember? Library research!!!
    Like you don't do?

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    You don't even know or understand the science. Once you do, then we can talk more.
    Excuses, excuses, excuses. But I'll give you a chance. The entire human genome has been mapped for quite a number of years. Where have they found the gene(s) that code for homosexuality or transgender?

    (Hint: They haven't since they don't exist.)
  • Jun 19, 2022, 02:09 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Like you don't do?

    Library research in ways you'd never understand.
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    Excuses, excuses, excuses. But I'll give you a chance. The entire human genome has been mapped for quite a number of years. Where have they found the gene(s) that code for homosexuality or transgender?

    (Hint: They haven't since they don't exist.)
    And that means you don't have a clue. Becoming transgender is not inherited. It happens during fetal development. Science, my friend!
  • Jun 19, 2022, 05:39 PM
    jlisenbe
    I understand that on this site you do no research at all and, as was with the case with "berdache", your knowledge is oftentimes shown to be flat wrong. When that happens, you get offended and rather than simply admitting you were wrong, you get off on nonsense such as talking about research that you clearly have no idea how to do accurately.

    And guess what drives fetal development??? If you said genetics, you get a prize. But that's the very genetics that the completed genome gives you no help with. And even at that, you have presented no evidence that people are born TG due to some development in fetal development.

    So take your own advice and come back when you have done your homework and can present something of substance which you have not done in even one sentence.

    This is the kind of non-committal, milk-toast conclusions you find when researching this. "Previous studies in male twins have suggested that between 40%-60% of the variability in sexual orientation is due to genes. The rest is thought to be due to environment and possibly other biologic but nongenetic causes." "Have suggested", "thought to be", and "possibly other" is the language of science when that which is being looked for has not been found.

    https://www.webmd.com/sex-relationsh...there-gay-gene
  • Jun 19, 2022, 05:53 PM
    Wondergirl
    Your science is so skewed! Transgender has nothing to do with genomes and has everything to do with hormones (estrogen, progesterone, testosterone) that affect the fetus. And this topic has nothing to do with twin studies. I hope you never taught science. I weep!
  • Jun 19, 2022, 06:18 PM
    tomder55
    what a woke day . I did not know if I should celebrate transformers month or the day slaves were shipped to America. The 3rd option of course was the wholly Halmark greeting card invented 'Father's Day' . That was out of the question .
  • Jun 19, 2022, 07:44 PM
    jlisenbe
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    Your science is so skewed! Transgender has nothing to do with genomes and has everything to do with hormones (estrogen, progesterone, testosterone) that affect the fetus. And this topic has nothing to do with twin studies. I hope you never taught science. I weep!
    What controls the hormones? It is, of course, genes, the root word of "genetics". Learn something.

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    And this topic has nothing to do with twin studies.
    You plainly did not even bother to read the article.

    Tom, I didn't think Juneteenth was a remembrance of the day slaves were shipped here so much as the day the news of emancipation reached the slaves in Texas. Did I miss something?
  • Jun 19, 2022, 08:16 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    What controls the hormones? It is, of course, genes, the root word of "genetics". Learn something.

    Not when the doctor gives the pregnant woman a shot of estrogen et al. to prevent a miscarriage.
  • Jun 20, 2022, 04:07 AM
    jlisenbe
    And there is zero evidence that those injections result in TG individuals. We have discussed this before. Pretty sure there is no pre-natal hormonal connection to TG, so I'm afraid you are still left with zero support.

    Maybe you should try those "library research" skills you mention frequently but use scarcely ever.
  • Jun 20, 2022, 08:39 AM
    Wondergirl
    TG is DEFINITELY not inherited. Read up on how estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone act on the body and especially brain of the developing fetus.

    You have no library research skills? Use good key words.
  • Jun 20, 2022, 08:41 AM
    jlisenbe
    We've been through all that before. There is no support for your ideas. None at all.

    And guess what controls naturally produced hormones? If you guessed "genes", you win the prize.

    My statement from the word "go" was that there is no evidence that genetics plays a role in a person becoming TG or homosexual. You keep pleading hormones, but genetics controls hormones, and you have presented no evidence that hormones somehow play a role. So like I said, you still have zero. I'm open to any genuine evidence, but you don't have any, so you're stuck with that.

    I will again encourage you to employ those "library research" skills that you speak of so often and yet use so rarely to support your own ideas.
  • Jun 20, 2022, 09:05 AM
    Wondergirl
    What site would you even accept? The only one so far seems to be FOX.
  • Jun 20, 2022, 10:07 AM
    jlisenbe
    Your obvious inability to do even basic research is really stunning.

    As to what I will accept, my repudiation of your usage of "berdache" was discovered on Wiki while WebMd was my source for the post about homosexual research. In the meantime, your evidence was from the Wondergirl Institute for No Research.
  • Jun 20, 2022, 10:09 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Your obvious inability to do even basic research is really stunning.

    I've done it for you in the past. It was never good enough. Thus, do your own and honestly so, like the pious Christian you claim to be.
  • Jun 20, 2022, 10:11 AM
    jlisenbe
    I will again encourage you to employ those "library research" skills that you speak of so often and yet use so rarely to support your own ideas.

    You would do yourself a favor to stop being so fearful and start being open and honest. You clearly don't know, so why not just admit it?

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    I've done it for you in the past.
    When? Are you speaking of the infamous "dear reader" article you linked???
  • Jun 20, 2022, 10:27 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    When? Are you speaking of the infamous "dear reader" article you linked???

    When? Ever since you showed up on this site.
  • Jun 20, 2022, 10:40 AM
    jlisenbe
    Yeah, except that you can't find a single instance. I've had two just on this thread.

    Forget it.
  • Jun 21, 2022, 08:43 AM
    tomder55
    More transformer woke insanity .

    66 year old MALE blood donor Leslie Sinclare has given more than 125 pts of his blood over the years . But the last time he went to donate he was turned down .

    Why ? You ask

    Well this time when he went to the Albert Halls clinic in Stirling, Scotland he was asked to fill out the standard form. No problem . He had done so previously. But this time there was a question so absurd he refused to answer it .

    He submitted the questionnaire without answering the question . The clinic said he had to answer the question before being permitted to donate .

    The question was ;are you pregnant ?
    He told them he was a MAN in his 60s . He could not possibly get pregnant .

    The clinic said they were required to include the question for the purposes of "inclusiveness"
    Professor Marc Turner, director of the Scottish National Blood Transfusion Service, said: "We appreciate the support of each and every one of our donor community and thank Mr Sinclair for his commitment over a long number of years. "Whilst pregnancy is only a relevant question to those whose biological sex or sex assigned at birth is female, sex assigned at birth is not always visually clear to staff.”As a public body we take cognizance of changes in society around how such questions may be asked without discrimination and have a duty to promote inclusiveness – therefore all donors are now asked the same questions.'

    Nonsense ! The questionnaire also asked if you were male of female . That should've taken care of the other question if the response to the 1st question was male

    Beyond absurd .I would've been inclined to answer I don't know . Let them give me a pregnancy test . Then I would accuse them of being insensitive because they were clearly fat shaming me .
  • Jun 22, 2022, 04:56 AM
    jlisenbe
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  • Jul 16, 2022, 06:40 PM
    tomder55
    Transgender woman who impregnated 2 inmates removed from N.J.’s female prison - nj.com
  • Jul 16, 2022, 07:21 PM
    Wondergirl
    WG says:

    "A nation that allows its children to be killed while in school has no heart."
  • Jul 16, 2022, 07:28 PM
    Wondergirl
    You use what you've got in order to achieve ecstasy and satisfaction.

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