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Let's see - America enslaved and then discriminated against human beings for 400 years because of the color of their skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
America encountered people already living here and proceeded to exterminate as many as possible so the "Americans" could take their land and live here.
WHO is drinking the kool-aid?
Do some research. Go to your public library. Ask a reference librarian for help.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You are personally okay with children and teens having access to books about sex education, race, LGBTQ+, etc.?
You conveniently failed to mention that America saved the world's bacon in TWO wars and stood alone against totalitarian oppression for the latter half of the 20th century.
And then went to great extremes to right those wrongs. Another little detail.Quote:
Let's see - America enslaved and then discriminated against human beings for 400 years because of the color of their skin.
And now we are becoming a totalitarian nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
And those wrongs have yet to be righted.Quote:
And then went to great extremes to right those wrongs. Another little detail.
Too late! I've already done the research. What you wrote about Kraus is not true.Quote:
Do some research. Go to your public library. Ask a reference librarian for help.
That's a WIIIDDDDE ranging question. In short, I think their parents should have the say in that.Quote:
You are personally okay with children and teens having access to books about sex education, race, LGBTQ+, etc.?
Do you think students should be told that homosexuality is not genetically based? That there is no evidence of a genetic base for TG? That men and women are clearly made for heterosexual activity and not homosexual? Should they be told those things?
We might agree on that one.Quote:
And now we are becoming a totalitarian nation.
Are you serious?? Really?Quote:
And those wrongs have yet to be righted.
Of course, it's true! I'm chuckling about your "research". I just discovered even Wikipedia agrees with my research about his ultra-conservative beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
***In October 2021, Krause, as chair of the House Committee on General Investigating, launched an investigation into Texas school boards, asking them whether a list of 850 books on subjects of race and sexuality were in Texas libraries and classrooms. The list included Pulitzer Prize-winning novels, best sellers, and other award-winning works of literature,[20] many of them written by women, people of color, or LGBTQ authors.[21] This list included William Styron's The Confessions of Nat Turner, Ta-Nehisi Coates's Between the World and Me, and Isabel Wilkerson's Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents.[20][22] The Texas State Teachers Association described Krause's investigation as a politically motivated "witch hunt"[20] and Texas Democrats denounced it.[22] Krause refused to explain how the list of 850 books was created, which school districts received the letter, or why he was seeking this information.[22] Seven Texas school districts confirmed receiving the letter from Krause, and several indicated that they would decline to respond.[22]***
Yes, parents...not lawmakers or even teachers/principals. The books should be available.Quote:
That's a WIIIDDDDE ranging question. In short, I think their parents should have the say in that.
Are you a book banner? Please do research. You're stuck on a literal understanding of the early chapters of Genesis.Quote:
Do you think students should be told that homosexuality is not genetically based? That there is no evidence of a genetic base for TG? That men and women are clearly made for heterosexual activity and not homosexual? Should they be told those things?
Why did you dodge the question?Quote:
Are you a book banner? Please do research. You're stuck on a literal understanding of the early chapters of Genesis.
You made no claims about his "ultra-conservative" beliefs. You made false claims about banning books.Quote:
Of course, it's true! I'm chuckling about your "research". Even Wikipedia agrees with my research about his ultra-conservative beliefs.
Porn should not be available. Books that make untrue and unscientific claims about LGBT issues should not be available.
Here is the Wikipedia link. It makes no mention of Krause proposing a book ban. Once again, you are proving the principle I mentioned above. Thanks again!! You are never-ending spring of confirmations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Krause
I added more to my post that you responded to. Please check back.
According to Genesis, God created mankind as binary. But then, using their free will, Adam and Eve ate from the tree and opened up unlimited possibilities, including for human sexuality.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Read my additions in my post above.Quote:
You made no claims about his "ultra-conservative" beliefs. You made false claims about banning books.
Why shouldn't porn be available? All LGBT issues and pov should be available.Quote:
Porn should not be available. Books that make untrue and unscientific claims about LGBT issues should not be available.
Don't need to. You quoted from the Wiki article I linked to and already read. There is no mention of a book ban anywhere. Are you unable to understand that???
You are still dodging the question. Your silly speculation from Genesis, affirmed NOWHERE in the Bible and actually contradicted MANY places in the Bible, is not an answer.Quote:
According to Genesis, God created mankind as binary. But then, using their free will, Adam and Eve ate from the tree and opened up unlimited possibilities, including for human sexuality.
At least you are now on record as believing that children should read porn. Amazing.Quote:
Why shouldn't porn be available? All LGBT issues and pov should be available.
Please reread my post when I first mentioned Matt Krause.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Sooooooo, what transpired when they ate of the forbidden fruit?Quote:
You are still dodging the question. Your silly speculation from Genesis, affirmed NOWHERE in the Bible and actually contradicted MANY places in the Bible, is not an answer.
Wow! Please quote my saying that.Quote:
At least you are now on record as believing that children should read porn. Amazing.
Enough of this garbage. This is what you posted. "Texas lawmaker Matt Krause has a list of 850 books that he believes should be banned." That is a false statement which you cannot verify.Quote:
Please reread my post when I first mentioned Matt Krause.
Sin. Ruin. Separation from God. Destruction. War. Hatred. Violence. Lying. Sexual sin. Should those be considered normal as well?Quote:
Sooooooo, what transpired when they ate of the forbidden fruit?
Here it is. "Why shouldn't porn be available?" It would be available to be READ!Quote:
Wow! Please quote my saying that.
If you are going to continue this childishness, I'll be out. Get serious or go do something else.
And why are you afraid to answer this question? "Do you think students should be told that homosexuality is not genetically based? That there is no evidence of a genetic base for TG? That men and women are clearly made for heterosexual activity and not homosexual? Should they be told those things?"
Your Wikipedia link says that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Normal? I said unlimited possibilities.Quote:
Sin. Ruin. Separation from God. Destruction. War. Hatred. Violence. Lying. Sexual sin. Should those be considered normal as well?
You or your kids or wife or grandkids have never read (or looked at) porn?Quote:
Here it is. "Why shouldn't porn be available?" It would be available to be READ!
I'm beginning to side with Athos.Quote:
If you are going to continue this childishness, I'll be out. Get serious or go do something else.
First off, my apologies. I got carried away with a couple of my comments.
The link does not even mention a ban. Period. Why you continue with that is just beyond me. You were flat wrong and are too proud, I guess, to admit it.
I've done a number of things that were wrong. I don't recommend them to others as you do with this. And to suggest that porn be made available to children ("Why shouldn't porn be available?") is sick beyond description.
For bad and sinful activities. That is true. But you are trying to link that to homosexual behavior and suggest it is allowed because, of all things, the fall of man in Genesis. It's truly a bizarre, desperate argument.Quote:
I said unlimited possibilities.
You're siding with Athos?. I can see that for sure. You both cannot admit when you are wrong.
And you are still afraid to answer this question. "Do you think students should be told that homosexuality is not genetically based? That there is no evidence of a genetic base for TG? That men and women are clearly made for heterosexual activity and not homosexual? Should they be told those things?"
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
His list is to have evidence so a ban can be established. Google "Matt Krause 850" (without quote marks).Quote:
The link does not even mention a ban. Period. Why you continue with that is just beyond me. You were flat wrong and are too proud, I guess, to admit it.
Please quote me where I said porn should be available to children.Quote:
I've done a number of things that were wrong. I don't recommend them to others as you do with this. And to suggest that porn be made available to children ("Why shouldn't porn be available?") is sick beyond description.
Not only for bad and sinful activities. The universe was perfect before the Fall. It isn't now.Quote:
For bad and sinful activities. That is true. But you are trying to link that to homosexual behavior and suggest it is allowed because, of all things, the fall of man in Genesis. It's truly a bizarre, desperate argument.
That's because we aren't. Our words and their meanings get twisted, too often deliberately.Quote:
You're siding with Athos?. I can see that for sure. You both cannot admit when you are wrong.
I have too many good friends and a few relatives who don't fit your strict binary rule. I'm betting you do too.Quote:
And you are still afraid to answer this question. "Do you think students should be told that homosexuality is not genetically based? That there is no evidence of a genetic base for TG? That men and women are clearly made for heterosexual activity and not homosexual? Should they be told those things?"
That is pure conjecture. It has never been established and your own links provide not one shred of evidence. Once again you are providing a classic example of my principle that your ideology is driving you rather than any evidence you can find. Can you see that you have done so repeatedly just this afternoon alone?Quote:
His list is to have evidence so a ban can be established.
OK. For the third and final time, here it is. "Why shouldn't porn be available?" The context was schoolchildren. You are guilty.Quote:
Please quote me where I said porn should be available to children.
See what I mean? And that is not what happens with you. You write something and then when it's quoted, you try and extricate yourself from your own trap. It would be fairly easy to simply say, "That's not what I meant to say. I meant that xxxxxxx." Instead, you seem to think you can talk your way out of it. Not working at all.Quote:
That's because we aren't. Our words and their meanings get twisted, too often deliberately.
You are still dodging the question. It has all the appearance of intellectual cowardice. Perhaps you can give a better explanation of your running from this question. And by the way, I was not putting forward any rule at all. I was referring to very plain and clear evidence from science which you seem to be afraid of. Why is it that libs always want to follow the science until, of course, they don't like where the science is leading them?Quote:
I have too many good friends and a few relatives who don't fit your strict binary rule. I'm betting you do too.
Just as I figured...Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Wow! Do you knit and crochet too? Maybe are part of the church quilting group?Quote:
OK. For the third and final time, here it is. "Why shouldn't porn be available?" The context was schoolchildren. You are guilty.
See what I mean? And that is not what happens with you. You write something and then when it's quoted, you try and extricate yourself from your own trap. It would be fairly easy to simply say, "That's not what I meant to say. I meant that xxxxxxx." Instead, you seem to think you can talk your way out of it. Not working at all.
Please get to know some LGBT+ community members, especially transgender women, and listen to their life stories.Quote:
You are still dodging the question. It has all the appearance of intellectual cowardice. Perhaps you can give a better explanation of your running from this question. And by the way, I was not putting forward any rule at all. I was referring to very plain and clear evidence from science which you seem to be afraid of. Why is it that libs always want to follow the science until, of course, they don't like where the science is leading them?
Still running. You're at about the five mile marker now.Quote:
Please get to know some LGBT+ community members, especially transgender women, and listen to their life stories.
More examples of what I said earlier. It bears repeating. "Many people just blindly accept whatever they read as long as it feeds a particular ideological narrative. It's the ideology that is, in their view, important. Truth has become cheap." So when you are cornered by your own words, rather than admit being wrong or even just clarifying your meaning, we instead get comments such as those.Quote:
Just as I figured...
Wow! Do you knit and crochet too? Maybe are part of the church quilting group?
Well, this thread has hopefully come to a merciful end.
So you refuse to learn. And hear the heart-breaking stories. And you claim to have been in education.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Psssst
I have learned to spot a person running from a question. "Do you think studen ts should be told that homosexuality is not genetically based? That there is no evidence of a genetic base for TG? That men and women are clearly made for heterosexual activity and not homosexual? Should they be told those things?"Quote:
So you refuse to learn
I have quite a number of friends who are in addiction to drugs or alcohol. I worked with a guy one time who was a convicted child molester. Probably my best friend on this earth has had two serious bouts with alcoholism and nearly died the first time. I know a number of people who smoke. Have another friend and former student who is battling with serious mental illness. I had a relative who died as the result of drug and alcohol abuse. I have another relative who is gay and a few who lived as gay men when they were young but now have abandoned that lifestyle. I've known people who were homeless by choice and others who committed adultery. The list of disorders goes on and on. I can say I love them all and hope the best for them, but I would never be so unloving to them as to suggest that their life choices are just hunky dory and simply the result of all of those "infinite possibilities" which we can now "enjoy" as a result of the fall. I would not suggest that they just are what they are and there is no hope for change. I tell them all the same thing, that Jesus Christ is still changing lives! That might not align with the political philosophies of some people, but it does align with the Gospel.
Back on topic, saw this today. Will take a wild guess that this person will not end up on any liberal blacklist.
"Ocasio-Cortez staffer calls Israel a 'racist European ethnostate' that was built on 'stolen land'"
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc...te-stolen-landQuote:
"Israel is a racist European ethnostate built on stolen land from its indigenous population!" Altamimi wrote on Christmas Eve, according to a screenshot obtained by Fox News Digital.
Altamimi’s comments were in response to a post he shared from an account with the handle "Let’s Talk Palestine,'' which claimed there is a "racial hierarchy" in Israel.
"This reveals the principle underpinning Israeli apartheid: It’s not about where you’re born," the shared post reads. "It’s about whether you’re Jewish or non-Jewish. Your ethnicity determines your rights [and] level in the racial hierarchy."
"Israel is an exclusive ethnostate, established to serve one ethnic group at the expense of another," the post continued.
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