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The Repubs impeached Clinton for his private sex life. Trump was impeached for 1) betraying his country by bribing a foreign president, and, 2) for inciting insurrection to overthrow a legitimate election.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
No contest.
Bubba was impeached for the same things you wanted to put Flynn in jail for .... perjury and suborning perjury . All 3 impeachments were political theatre ;as was Andrew Johnson's .
Had they impeached Nixon it would've been legit .
His perjury was lying about his private sex life. Hardly an impeachable issue. Perjury is often excused in courts unless it's a major falsehood effecting more important issues. Trump's issues went to the heart of the republic.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
As to impeachment being political theater, impeachment is a LEGAL process spelled out in the Constitution. It’s a myth that impeachment is just political. It’s the principal legal remedy that the Constitution expressly specifies to hold presidents accountable. It is the supreme law of the land.
Private??? You mean the incident that the entire world became aware of, and that BC repeatedly lied about, and concerning which he was entirely willing to sacrifice the reputation and career of a 21 year old WH female intern? That kind of "private"??? Why does it seem that none of that means much to liberal dems so long, of course, as it was a liberal dem who was guilty of it?Quote:
His perjury was lying about his private sex life.
Not the way it has been applied .Quote:
It’s the principal legal remedy that the Constitution expressly specifies to hold presidents accountable. It is the supreme law of the land.
Johnson was impeached because he would not go along with the Republican reconstruction .
Bubba you already noted that it was not something that should've been dealt with by impeachment .Although it was clear that he perjured himself . That is why the judge punished him .
Trump 1 He got impeached for having a phone call with Zelenskiy asking him to look into the Quid Pro Joe crime family's dealings in Ukraine . And article 2 was about the President using his legitimate executive authority to deny Congressional subpoena demands (if Congress didn't like that they should've taken it to court ) .
Trump 2 The laws of incitement are clear and Trump's words being the cause of a riot would not hold up in court .Does he believe the election was stolen ? Yes .Therefore no matter how many times you throw out the word 'lie ' it is not so. What he said ,he believes. Nowhere did he instruct the protesters to storm the capitol to overthrow the government . What he wanted was the legal process to work out in his favor . He said to go to the capitol to support the lawmakers who were challenging the electoral results and to put pressure on others to change their mind. He was not rejecting the electoral process . He was trying to win within the process and the congressional certification was his last chance to do so .
The idea that he wanted Pence killed is equally stupid . Had Pence been killed ,Pelosi was next in line . So what would that gain him ? Putting pressure on Pence was a possibility only if Pence was alive A dead Pence served Trump no purpose . He needed Pence alive as the only person he thought could change the results . So the prosecution's contention that he sent the mob to kill Pence was equally a farce of a charge .
There may have been some leaders in the mob that incited them . For the most part the majority of them did not know what to do once they breached the building . Thus the selfies . That was hardly the act of insurrection.
Did he have anything to do with the planning of the Capitol defense ? No ;Capitol security is arranged by Congress .The police presence there was all arranged by the Capitol police and the Mayor of DC . So the President did not know the perimeter was so easy to breech . So he can't be accused of intent . He had no idea that some of the protesters would break away from the speech a good half hour before he ended the speech to attack the Capitol /
Therefore the impeachment was not about laws he broke .It was political .
Wrong. Read the Constitution.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Of course Trump did not call for the killing of Pence. Talk about cherry-picking!
Apparently, you did not bother to watch the days of trial where the House Managers laid out in great detail all the actions of Trump before, during, and after the insurrection. Even the few honest Republicans with backbone voted to convict Trump.
Check out the strange comments from McConnell. And the truly bizarre behavior of McCarthy.
Enlighten us.Quote:
Wrong. Read the Constitution.
Governor of Florida ;Ron DeSantis, is proposing legislation that asks the Florida state legislature to impose stiff fines – up to $100,000 per day – on tech companies that “deplatform” political candidates running for office in his state. His bill would allow individuals and the Florida attorney general to sue firms that violate newly established safeguards against privacy violations and censorship......and that colluding to ban people or companies from payment platforms or from cloud services, could also be outlawed.“Used to be that consumers were trusted to make their own decisions about what information to consume, about which leaders to ‘follow,’ about what news to watch,” he said. “Now those decisions are increasingly made by nameless, faceless boards of sensors.”
https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/go...state-capitol/
Clinton was guilty of being Clinton, Trump was guilty of being Trump. Now what is Pelosi guilty of?
Madam Mim is guilty of having PTDS Post Trump Derangement Syndrome . She has been completely obsessed with Trump as was evident by her ripping up his State of the Union Address during the address ;and her frequent impeachments against him. Even while her nephew Gavin Newsom's governorship hangs in the balance of a possible recall ;her obsession of Trump leads her to unconstitutionally impeaching an out of office President ;and trying to deny his ability to hold office again with a bizarre misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment
Nice spin Tomder, but fact is the dufus cult is the greatest threat to America we've seen in a century and I don't blame the card carrying members of his cult for trying to keep him above the law and the reach of justice. That's just expected from his loony defenders and followers.
What's in your wallet?
Update Parler is back on line .
https://komonews.com/news/nation-wor...e-here-to-stay
https://parler.com
Hurray! The loony fringers have a place to spew lies and disinformation and conspiracy theories. Think the dufus will climb on board?
No, she ripped up the speech AFTER he was finished as a very clear message of what she thought of it. I agreed with her. (This is how nasty rumors get started, changing just one word to make it sound worse.)Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It was rude and totally unprofessional. And yes, you can say that she was simply following Trump's example, but they should both grow up and act like grown-ups. There is no excuse for it.Quote:
No, she ripped up the speech AFTER he was finished as a very clear message of what she thought of it.
I thought she made her point quite clearly too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I've seen teachers do that too, as a very visual point.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
A distinction WITH a difference. Wtg, WG!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Of course such nuance is LOST on dufus defenders. Their heads exploded which I find rather amusing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Before or immediately after . Still a clear sign of PTDS .Quote:
No, she ripped up the speech AFTER he was finished as a very clear message of what she thought of it.
But I get it .If the Dems lose Trump as an issue all they have left is infighting . It is not just Madam Mim . Quid during yesterday's Snooze Hall event got frustrated with Anderson Cooper and said even he was tired of talking about Trump. But CNN and all the compliant press have nothing else to talk about without Trump and their ratings show it CNN, MSNBC and Fox News prepare for life after Trump - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)
The bottom line with the three amigos is very simple. If it's anti-Trump, then it's OK. TDS at a high level. And they are with the party of kindness and tolerance!! Go figure.Quote:
Before or immediately after . Still a clear sign of PTDS .
Watching Trump certainly draws ratings. It's the same as watching a train wreck - hard to take your eyes away.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Trump who?
Uhm...the one you were talking about three hours ago.Quote:
Trump who?
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Tom...She has been completely obsessed with Trump as was evident by her ripping up his State of the Union Address during the address
Your response...No, she ripped up the speech AFTER he was finished as a very clear message of what she thought of it. I agreed with her. (This is how nasty rumors get started, changing just one word to make it sound worse.)
YUP! Just speaking for myself and I have articulated why for years now. Don't know what you fringers will do without his hollering, screaming, lying and bullying and feeding you red meat.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Maybe he replaces Limbaugh.
Trump has been replaced, get over it and move on
I'm having to much fun to get over it Clete. 8D
Move on Tal, start finding fault with sleepy Joe, what has he done since being in office besides nullifying Trumps executive orders
That's a fine start for his 4th week in office considering the massive mess the dufus left.
The Aussies are getting tired of the power big tech has over basic rights , like freedom of speech ,assumed guaranteed in a free society .
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...18-p573se.htmlQuote:
Global leaders will be asked to back Australia in a fight with Facebook over its market power after the social media giant silenced news, health and emergency services in a bid to halt a federal law.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison raised the shock tactic with Indian counterpart Narendra Modi on Thursday night in the first step of a plan to mobilise global support to stop Facebook “bullying” elected governments.
The US won't be joining that fight .We have been subued .Most of the world trusted in US institutions to prevent abuse by the tech titans. Few realized that tech could, through political alliances, capture Washington and impose it's will on our government .
Can Quid pro Joe control them or does he owe them ?
Maybe Morrison can tame Facebook and the arrogant prick that owns it .
https://nypost.com/2021/02/18/austra...-news-content/
Australia has tamed google who have capitulated and they will tame facebook. Facebook withdrew news service from Australia resulting in aussies returning to legitimate news sources for news and reducing facebook overreach. When a sovereign nation takes on a corporation there can only be one outcome. We have a long history of dealing with monopolies
That's not exactly correct. FB withdrew quite a number of small, targeted news sources that will not be replaced with other news sources.Quote:
Facebook withdrew news service from Australia resulting in aussies returning to legitimate news sources for news and reducing facebook overreach.
- "Dozens of Facebook pages belonging to charities, small businesses, public services and governments were all removed, raising concerns that people could miss out on vital information.
- Save the Children Australia, the Hobart Women’s Shelter, and the Kids Cancer Project had their pages pulled from the platform, as did Brisbane City Council, South Australia Health and the Bureau of Meteorology."
But to be clear, I'm all for you and your fight. Best wishes. It's a shame the spineless jellyfish we have in the White House won't pitch in.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/18/face...-news-ban.html
No they will do nothing to save the media
You handled this glitch pretty well, got your constructive sites back and a few bucks. I would crow about it though.
I'm afraid that's true. The liberal dems owe big tech too much to oppose them.Quote:
No they will do nothing to save the media
Conservative repubs hate big tech after they started refusing to help spread lies conspiracy theories and hate speech. Even big repub donors are thinking twice about supporting the loony right wing fringers.
Tal you really should sniff the wind and ride a different horse
Obviously whatever you're sniffing doesn't add to your knowledge of horses one bit.
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