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I haven't dismissed anything.Quote:
Only because you dismiss the police brutality that delivers no justice to it's victims and is swept under the rug
That's not true.Quote:
while the brothers populate the prisons on small ticky tacky charges,
We do need to get the bad ones out. Agreed.Quote:
I can see good cops getting a raw deal being thrown in with the bad corrupt ones, but hell man, we can't even get the bad ones out.
I haven't done that. Haven't even come close.Quote:
Even now you equate peaceful protests to injustice corruption, with RIOTS?
What is????Quote:
That's the big picture!
That was not the purpose of the tithe in Israel. The tithe went to the Levites to support them and allow them to be fully committed to the work of OT ministry. It was their inheritance and their due.Quote:
he says give to God because in the Jewish system the tythe was to meet charitable needs
There was a tithe every third year that was for the support of the poor, so it amounted to about 3% a year, but that was not the primary tithe nor the tithe that is generally being referred to when the term is used.
You wrote, "The decision to have riots because a black man is murdered by a policeman and just ignore the hundreds of others killed by other black individuals does bother me a great deal. It's a big picture to me.". The decision was to peacefully protest after a brutal murder which was just the latest event in a series that so rattled the public conscious actions had to be taken lest we forget while Floyd 's death was in real time, others were delayed from the public as most are and kept quiet. The rioting was from criminals taking advantage of the protests. If all you see are rioters, you miss the whole point of WHY people made the decision to take to the streets in the first place. Your whole narrative about the deaths from criminals daily undermines the whole issue of police brutality which your own numbers point is more than rare isolated incidence and forgives bad cops by dismissing it as a huge problem in communities both black and white. The diversity and widespread protesting through out the WORLD bears witness to the size, scope, and heinousness of police cruelty, abuses, and atrocities that's long been complained about but never addressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
True there are many other important issues before us but how dare you say to others what they SHOULD be upset about or how to express that upset. That is a callous disregard to the concerns of the many who have been outraged and adversely affected by such behavior by those charged with serving and protecting while they do neither. If they were at least doing an effective job of that then would those black lives lost that YOU cite even be so high? Of course you continue to focus on the narrow issue that has your attention, and dismiss what has ours and both go back to how the cops get away with MURDER, terror, and brutality in poor neighborhoods while not serving and protecting.
Most blacks in prison were charged with non violent offenses, and receive higher sentences that whites. A very old and pervasive story that just fuels the fires burning amongstQuote:
That's not true.
minorities and poor people.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/black...b0e97dffed66a0
https://www.ussc.gov/research/resear...ces-sentencing
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2...in-prison-time
Of course there is a lot more data and fact, but that's the meat of a larger picture of a system that serves as a knee on the neck of minorities. Racism in the criminal justice system? You bet, but you aren't listening to that either so dismissing the problem and becoming part of it.
Addressed above!Quote:
I haven't done that. Haven't even come close.
Also see above, and maybe own what you have posted.Quote:
What is????
Talk about self-serving photo ops.
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I wrote that where? Pretty sure I didn't.Quote:
"The decision to have riots because a black man is murdered by a policeman and just ignore the hundreds of others killed by other black individuals does bother me a great deal. It's a big picture to me.". The decision was to peacefully protest after a brutal murder which was just the latest event in a series that so rattled the public conscious actions had to be taken lest we forget while Floyd 's death was in real time, others were delayed from the public as most are and kept quiet. The rioting was from criminals taking advantage of the protests. If all you see are rioters, you miss the whole point of WHY people made the decision to take to the streets in the first place. Your whole narrative about the deaths from criminals daily undermines the whole issue of police brutality which your own numbers point is more than rare isolated incidence and forgives bad cops by dismissing it as a huge problem in communities both black and white. The diversity and widespread protesting through out the WORLD bears witness to the size, scope, and heinousness of police cruelty, abuses, and atrocities that's long been complained about but never addressed.
Like you are doing right now?Quote:
how dare you say to others what they SHOULD be upset about or how to express that upset.
You said black men were in prison on "small, ticky-tak charges", but then proceeded to post links about sentencing disparities??? What??? At any rate, I said that "ticky-tak" reference was not true because...it is not true. A bank robbery or a home burglary are non-violent offenses. I have no problem with sending people to jail for those crimes. Black men are not in jail for jaywalking or speeding. Your statement was plainly false.
But I really want to know about that statement you attributed to me. Where was that???
Never mind. I think I see it now. I thought you meant the entire paragraph, but I suppose this was my statement. "The decision to have riots because a black man is murdered by a policeman and just ignore the hundreds of others killed by other black individuals does bother me a great deal. It's a big picture to me." So what in that is dismissive of George Floyd? It does not equate peaceful protests with rioting. I COMPLETELY OWN IT because it is a fair and honest statement. Some protested peacefully while others rioted. Those were, in both cases, decisions that were made. Stop being so sensitive. It is the rioting and the complete silence about thousands of murdered black Americans from a group that professes to care about black lives that bothers me a great deal. I don't understand that. If the day ever comes, and we hope it doesn't, that your house or business is destroyed by rioters, then it will be interesting to see what you post here the next day. I bet you will be singing a different tune.
Take to the streets about police brutality if you want. In the cases where it occurs, it needs to stop and I agree with that completely, but you might want to put some effort into a much, much, much larger area of need. Everyone deserves protection and justice.
The third year tithe was used to support foreigners, the local synagogue and charitable purposes (poor) why else did God say pay the tithe so there should be food in my house, the other tithes were used for visits to the temple which was an annual requirement, it was consumed by the people, and the levites were supported by the offerings. You really do need to work on your lack of knowledge, there is a lot of false teaching associated with OT tithes and there is no such thing as a NT tithe so the discussion is moot, like so many hereQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
There has been no silence about black on black crime. You have just been incapable of hearing it. As a black guy I know full well I could be a victim of it rather easily, or my kids or grand kids, but what makes it worse is when you call a cop, I could end up as their victim as well. Heck I could end up a victim without calling them for a crime, just by going about my business. Or just out for a jog. Or sleeping peacefully in my bed with my wife.
You have to step back and see just being black can land you in jail, or a victim in America and not just from criminals. So with respect, those so called isolated incidence are VERY much related to the everyday black on black crimes you keep pointing out. Two trees in the bigger forest. Of course the guy who doesn't know racists can never relate to it's effects over the centuries to the people it targets. Nor address effectively the issues it raises in the bigger picture.
Indeed my friend if all you see are the victims of black on black crime which I prefer to just say CRIME, do you see the others who live in the environment of poverty and violence who aren't criminals? Poverty is the bigger picture and economic and health insecurities that come with it. If you can't call a cop, banker, doctor, mayor, or president then who ya gonna call?
The long running struggle continues my friend. Thanks for the bag of groceries.
You are very much more likely to be a victim of crime than to be a victim of police brutality. It's not even close.
The big question is, what causes the poverty? I've already outlined some very good solutions. You don't want to accept them since they involve an exercising of personal responsibility and can't be done by simply blaming someone else.Quote:
Poverty is the bigger picture and economic and health insecurities that come with it. If you can't call a cop, banker, doctor, mayor, or president then who ya gonna call?
And when it does happen that's no big deal for my fellow blacks brothers since those cops that kill us will blame us and face no consequences? You may never even hear about it unless a video goes viral. Obviously you haven't since it doesn't affect YOU! It's does affect me though! So your statistics mean nothing when you can put a face or life behind them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Close may count in horseshoes, but not in the reality of LIFE!
The definition of racism, being in control of the life of another because of skin color, easily found by zip codes. Racism is the oft used tool of the dominate race/class! That's the root of poverty, control the money. Ask your local slum lord how that works. Ask your local government what happens when you segregate poor people in one place especially by race.Quote:
The big question is, what causes the poverty? I've already outlined some very good solutions. You don't want to accept them since they involve an exercising of personal responsibility and can't be done by simply blaming someone else.
No I don't accept your solutions, nor the premise they are based on. You don't accept mine either, so the discussion continues.
1. Tithe to Levites. Num. 18:26. "Speak to the Levites and say to them: 'When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the LORD's offering.'"Quote:
The third year tithe was used to support foreigners, the local synagogue and charitable purposes (poor) why else did God say pay the tithe so there should be food in my house, the other tithes were used for visits to the temple which was an annual requirement, it was consumed by the people, and the levites were supported by the offerings. You really do need to work on your lack of knowledge, there is a lot of false teaching associated with OT tithes and there is no such thing as a NT tithe so the discussion is moot, like so many here
So that is the first tithe, the inheritance which rightly belonged to the Levites since they received no land. It was their due, and they then took a tithe of that and gave it to the priests, the sons of Aaron. It is the tithe referred to in Malachi which they were not receiving and thus had to work, making them unable to properly tend to their ministry duties.
2. Dt. 14:22. "22Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always. 24But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. 27And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own."
This tithe was to be consumed in a period of rejoicing and feasting every year.
3. Dt. 26:12. "When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied."
This was the every third year tithe which was dedicated to supporting the poor. That's why I said it amounted to about 3%.
That good enough for you? It does not differ from what I said before. The part you are missing is that the first tithe was the inheritance of the Levites. They did not get land in the manner that the other tribes did, so they were to receive the produce of one acre out of every ten.Quote:
You really do need to work on your lack of knowledge
The motto of all good liberal dems. "Ignore the facts! Just listen to our rhetoric."Quote:
statistics mean nothing
No one is in control of your life but you. Stop whining. When a woman makes a decision to have three children out of wedlock, she increases the risk of poverty for all four members of that family. It is dumb and needs to stop, but you don't like it since you can't blame it on others and hence would have to accept responsibility.Quote:
The definition of racism, being in control of the life of another because of skin color, easily found by zip codes. Racism is the oft used tool of the dominate race/class! That's the root of poverty, control the money. Ask your local slum lord how that works. Ask your local government what happens when you segregate poor people in one place especially by race.
She makes a decision to do this?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Well, it doesn't happen by accident. Most of the time it seems to require two people doing you know what. If the woman does not do you know what, then I'm pretty sure she will not become pregnant.Quote:
She makes a decision to do this?
And if he keeps his pants zipped, it won't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Exactly correct. So we can join together in a call for men and women to behave responsibly and prevent out of wedlock pregnancies??
and if a woman keeps her legs closed it won't happen, endless argument as old as time and serving no purpose since human nature is self gratificationQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And that's what each needs to do -- keep that gratification to oneself.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
So again. "Can (we) join together in a call for men and women to behave responsibly and prevent out of wedlock pregnancies??
That's what I taught my children. No "accidents". How about yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So is that a "yes"?
You mean we are to call from our front porches?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Well, of course, where else would you call out fromQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Be grateful your children listened to you. Sometimes they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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So is that a "yes"?
Once again, history repeats itself.Quote:
You mean we are to call from our front porches?
Police brutality leads to protests and riots. Yup! History repeats itself.
Yeah. The actions of one policeman led to hundreds and hundreds of businesses being destroyed. It didn't have anything to do with the pathetic rioters and the feckless mayors. As usual, with you, it's always someone else's fault.
Seems you would be open to stopping such actions that trigger such events.
Even if they hadn't listened, I would have continued to love them, and loved and accepted their partners and offspring unconditionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
If one of my children either became pregnant out of wedlock, or fathered a child out of wedlock, I would certainly continue to love that child and support him/her and the infant as best I can, but I would not decide that having sex outside of marriage is actually OK. I would not accept his/her actions, and I would be clear with my child that those actions were outside the will of God. There is much more to love than hugs and kind words. Sometimes a backbone is needed.
The deed has been done. You will "not accept his/her actions"-- but you will "love that child ... and the infant as best I can." Doesn't sound very loving, not with conditions attached. And scolding him and lecturing him about "the will of God" after the fact doesn't sound very loving, just very Old Testament-y.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Read the end of the story of the woman caught in adultery and get back with me about it. To be silent about sin is as unloving as you can be. That's why I said that at some point you have to grow some backbone.Quote:
You will "not accept his/her actions"-- but you will "love that child ... and the infant as best I can." Doesn't sound very loving, not with conditions attached. And scolding him and lecturing him about "the will of God" after the fact doesn't sound very loving, just very Old Testament-y.
Your "love as best I can" is very off-putting. And I hope when you raise your virtual verbal whip against your sinful child, you'll use "I" statements. And before you do or say anything in reproof, read John 8:7.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
https://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/med...408d9280280cf0
the streets of NYC . Mayors wife yesterday said NYC without police would be Nirvana .
I read your text, and it is plainly very appropritate. So did you read the very last thing Jesus said to her??Quote:
Your "love as best I can" is very off-putting. And I hope when you raise your virtual verbal whip against your sinful child, you'll use "I" statements. And before you do or say anything in reproof, read John 8:7.
"Off-putting"?? The best I can give is "off putting"? Hmm.
What He said to her is also a message to all of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
With accusative "you" this and "you" that pronouncements while holding up a Bible in your right hand, yes, off-putting.Quote:
"Off-putting"?? The best I can give is "off putting"? Hmm.
So he didn't just say, "Go on now, sweetie. Mommie loves you?"Quote:
What He said to her is also a message to all of us.
I never mentioned the Bible which you seem to hold in disdain. And yes, the "you" is sometimes called for. That's where some backbone comes into play.Quote:
With accusative "you" this and "you" that pronouncements while holding up a Bible in your right hand, yes, off-putting.
Use "I" statements, not "you" statements. Jesus told her,"I love you in spite of everything and want you to make a better life for yourself."Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Bwahahahahaha, "hold it in disdain." (Back to your shaming thing, I see.)Quote:
I never mentioned the Bible which you seem to hold in disdain. And yes, the "you" is sometimes called for. That's where some backbone comes into play.
Nope, "you" is never called for in situations like that. That's just more shaming and has nothing to do with "backbone".
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