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You ifnore so many facts hard to figure which one you mean this time. Enlighten me please.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Not because Biden says so, but fact is I know the dufus lies and you believe him, so I know better than to believe either of you. Plus I posted the links to the real story a while back.Quote:
How do you know it wasn't for personal gain? How do you know it was only part of an international movement? How do you know those are facts? Is it because Biden said so?
Your post was, "Nobody argued that Biden didn't do it" My reply was, "Oh yes you did," and I then reminded you of your previous post. "Another fact you IGNORE. Remember to document your own allegations which so far have proved to be garbage as we speak, like the Biden allegations."
Once again, a non-answer due to lack of knowledge.Quote:
Not because Biden says so, but fact is I know the dufus lies and you believe him, so I know better than to believe either of you. Plus I posted the links to the real story a while back.
I might add that I scarcely ever listen to Trump, so I generally do not know, nor care, what he has said. I did listen to Biden's video, so I do know what he said. I also know that he said a day or two ago that he would not testify before the Senate, and that he is now backpedaling on that.
"Plus I posted the links to the real story a while back!"
I've already had to deal with your links. No thanks on the rest of them.
Hey guys, it is new year how about we cut out the argy, bargy, in the interests of good will and a fresh start
here is a link you might like, you just have to wonder about some people, don't you
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...nraveling.html
Interesting article.
Tal and I might snipe at each other some, but we have plenty of good will. I have long appreciated his willingness to simply state what he believes.
I fail to see how a loony right wing rag rant will bring us good cheer and peace on earth Clete, unless you are a loony right winger. Placating JL leaves ME out and I have a fresh supply of rocks ready for chunkin'!
See what I mean? Good luck, Clete.Quote:
I fail to see how a loony right wing rag rant will bring us good cheer and peace on earth Clete, unless you are a loony right winger. Placating JL leaves ME out and I have a fresh supply of rocks ready for chunkin'!
Tal, just make sure your rocks don't have "left-wing propaganda" written on them.
They won't since I consider myself rather moderate on most things JL. Extremes either way tend to give me extra pause, but I've been willing to live and let live for the most part all my life. Not like I'm perfect or always correct, so I keep an open mind to learning stuff I didn't know. I figure humans have TWO ears and ONE mouth for a good reason.
Amen.
Well the dufus does it again. He found a way to change the subject and slap the Iranians very hard where it hurts. I'm no fan of Iran and it's ways but after Vlad, Erogan, Assaad, and Kim have punked this dude pretty good he found somebody to show who's boss. Looks like the beginning of a long re election summer.
How can anyone think killing the head terrorist in the world (head of the Quds Force) be a bad thing? Do you understand how many American Servicemen this bastard was responsible for killing in Iraq and elsewhere? I think the Iranians may come to realize that this dead arse garbage isn't the only one of their ilk who can be reached out and slapped into hell.
Tal, 3:18 A.M.? Really? You're up mighty early. Let's wait and see how Iran responds.
So far the line is they spoiled an iminent attack by a dude that's been attacking for decades so yeah details matter. Wait for the next attack? DUDE! He had an attack in mind whether they offed him or NOT!
One thing is for sure: This little Sulemieni WILL NOT BE PLANNING ANY MORE ATTACKS! He is off riding a rug into hell!
No doubt he will be replaced and we will be no safer than we were before. I don't shed a tear, but this is just one action that brings more actions in this long standing ongoing conflict. Sorry just seen this crap before and it never leads to good outcomes just more killing. I mean did we stop an imminent attack or just delay it?
Talaniman: Darn you! Why do you have to bring reality back into it! I am afraid you are correct.
We chased Osama for years, hunted Hussien, and their elimination got us what exactly? Why is this any different?
We don't know what would have happened if Bin Laden had NOT been killed. It could have resulted in the situation becoming far worse. The same thing is true of the two most recent guys. Rather frequently, doing nothing is a poor option.
I don't advocate doing nothing JL, not at all ,but if you think offing a high ranking long time terrorist national foreign policy leader has NO consequences, then that would be naïve. If you think you scared the Iranians into second thought, that too is naïve. Stopping an eminent treat? Okay...tell us all about it! Just to be clear, I never trusted Bushes, or even Obamas, so called generalship of killing people, so trusting the dufus ain't going to happen. I can wait for more info before I start blasting away fo' real though.
Hoping for better outcomes than I have seen in my lifetime.
Time will tell. I do get your point. All decisions have consequences.
We have been embroiled in the ME far to long and NO end in sight and that doesn't bode well.
Those consequences are catching up Tal, first, you interfered in the politics of that country and made enemies, then you ignored the attempts to defuse the situation and when finally some progress was made, Trump comes along and toadying to Israel and the Saudi's escalates the conflict to open warfare. you would think that decades of cold war experience would have taught you something but the dingbats have taken overQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I don't think abandoning Israel is the answer, and I don't think ignoring the Kuwaiti invasion in 91 would have been wise.Quote:
Those consequences are catching up Tal, first, you interfered in the politics of that country and made enemies, then you ignored the attempts to defuse the situation and when finally some progress was made, Trump comes along and toadying to Israel and the Saudi's escalates the conflict to open warfare. you would think that decades of cold war experience would have taught you something but the dingbats have taken over
No doubt we broke it so we own it Clete, the easy part for you Aussies is make sure you're on the right side of the conflict as I doubt neutral is a viable option at this point.
we are always on the right side Tal, don't like bullies, but Trump tests our patienceQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
As he does the patience of his own nation, half for sure and even his own supporters. I suppose all leaders do at some point. LOL, maybe a week of peace and quiet would help everybody, as more than that may not be part of this dufus's make up. I still go with a muzzle AND a short leash!
Yes our own leadership has tested our patience in our crisis, they speak of a GWB moment, but I suppose going after leadership is an effective tactic which hasn't been tried oftenQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I think current events has REQUIRED any citizen anywhere to QUESTION and hold accountable all our leaders. Trust but verify is always the norm, but especially concerning our particular lying dufus! You can forgive being helpless before Mother Nature, but a fellow stupid human with a title? That smacks of irresponsibility on our part, and we get what we deserve.
Unfortuneately, Yes you do. However, you forget, what would the alternative have been like? You would probably be a war with russia by now
Maybe, but we will never know that for sure, but after seeing this outcome I wouldn't mind trying the alternative and will have a chance soon. I admit though it's kind of fun to throw rocks at the opposition instead of explaining sanity to loons. I see why my friend Smoothy was such a cheerful fellow. I'm tempted to email him and see if he has any of his rocks leftover, though that's hard to imagine.
Hey how do you know we would be in war with Russia? I doubt HC would be listening to his crap, or taking an ounce of guff from any of the dufus bromance harem, and the economy would be just fine if not better. Probably JL's head would have exploded by now, but and he would have a supply of rocks bigger than mine no doubt.
I guess a war with Iran is better, since we are still next door in Iraq after a few decades of screwing them up.
Do you guys ever think war is not a good idea? this is the twenty-first century, two thousand years after Jesus told us there is another way and we have learned nothing. We still want to fight those ancient wars, whether it is the Persian wars or the crusades we are still at itQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Old habits are hard to change. Especially if you don't want too. Rape, pillage and plunder has always been addictive. What you thought men are just brutes? Maybe but we are just SICK too! How else could you explain the world?
Don't want to go there Tal, otherwise we will get into a religious discussion. You know the reason as well as I do I'm sure, but it is a message noone wants to hearQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Leaders of countries have been using religion as a rally cry to fight each other for centuries when its always been about raising armies and taking/defending land for domination of the MONEY. I can respect your religious opinions Clete but save the sermons for those that want it.
Exactly
Don't get me wrong here Clete, I have a great deal of sympathy for the challenge your people face, given you are a friend and caught up in it, and would be furious with my leaders if indeed during this time they were smoozy woozy in comfort on vacations while I snorted smoke, but what does that have to do with religion? The whole world is screwed up from one thing or another fires, floods, earthquakes, shootings, terrorists, economic upheaval, and social unrest, I mean everywhere you look, something is screwed up. I can see why the end of the world appears near when human folly and nature are painting a bunch of gloom and doom.
What surprises me more I think that you refrained from your sermon at my request, and I am not so sure that has ever happened here before. LOL I was preparing to be knee deep in gospel by now. 8D
Tal, not to put a finer point on it but the book of Revelation says that in the last days the sky will be darkened and the sun appear blood red. One prophesy Ez: 45-49 also says that God will burn up the southland. Now that is exactly what is happening and I hear the smoke has already reached Chile. I'm not the one who has put you knee deep in Gospel, thank WG and jl for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The only surmon you will get from me is CO2 emissions is not a southern hemisphere problem, we account for a small percentage of emissions and anything we do will be like pissing in the wind. Some dingbat on UK television once again told us we had the highest per capita emissions. My response is " look after your own house". Yes I am an AGW denier, there has to be a different source to the problem since climate change has been going on for 12,000 years
https://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...035606619843b4
I take that as a nice compliment!Quote:
I'm not the one who has put you knee deep in Gospel, thank WG and jl for that.
I didn't see a blood red sun, but darkening skies have happened many times before so not so sure this even qualifies as a precursor for biblical prophesy. Not to nit pick, just saying. I really have no quarrel with those that use the gospel as a good moral compass, just as I have no quarrel with those with a good moral compass without the gospel. Whatever works.
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