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You can easily fact check Athos and find that he is correct about his FACTS. Explaining it to a closed minded person who is in denial is the issue, not the FACTS!

Like his "facts" about Aquinas or his "facts" about Matthew copying Mark? Give me a break.

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Just pick one and see what it says about the economic situation on 2007. How simple is that since even though we have linked it and talked it to death, and you still say it didn't happen. Nothing else I can do for you there bud!

Exactly right. There is nothing you can do.

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but it would help if you would be more specific about that irresponsible spending over decades that has ballooned the deficit. Then we can discuss those specifics.

More specific, kind of like saying that, even adjusted for inflation, the feds spend 300% more now than just 40 years ago? You mean that kind of specifics? Or that we spend more than twice as much now as just 18 years ago? That kind of being specific? Is that what you're after? Or the fact that Obama nearly doubled the national debt in only eight years. Is that specific enough for you?

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You want to investigate everybody in congress and there mama's, go ahead. Let me know how that works because I think you need evidence and not just right wing loony conspiracy theories that get debunked with REAL investigations.

You're the one who suggested we investigate all the lying and cheating. OK. That's fine with me, but you really don't want to do that. You want to aim all your hatred and vitriol at Trump and let your beloved dems get away with anything they want. I won't go with you on that.

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Like his "facts" about Aquinas or his "facts" about Matthew copying Mark? Give me a break.

That is how ancient man communicated, but I wasn't talking about the bible I refer to the facts and reality of NOW!

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Exactly right. There is nothing you can do.

Was that snark, or a dodge because you got nothing just NOISE?

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More specific, kind of like saying that, even adjusted for inflation, the feds spend 300% more now than just 40 years ago? You mean that kind of specifics? Or that we spend more than twice as much now as just 18 years ago? That kind of being specific? Is that what you're after? Or the fact that Obama nearly doubled the national debt in only eight years. Is that specific enough for you?

No I was referring to being specific on what the money was spent on. Or an accounting for rising cost of living or other pertinent factors to discuss.

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You're the one who suggested we investigate all the lying and cheating. OK. That's fine with me, but you really don't want to do that. You want to aim all your hatred and vitriol at Trump and let your beloved dems get away with anything they want. I won't go with you on that.

Maybe we should investigate you for some kind of insanity, and I admit the dufus's lying cheating and bullying does irk me though not to the degree your rhetoric suggest. I figure you should be irked at his antics words and behavior too, but since you got your tax cuts and conservative judges during good economic times you may be placated enough to ignore the other crap he spews.

He makes more noise than the average loony and we know you wingers love noise, since your incompetence didn't allow you to lock up HC, or Obama for that matter.

OUR TURN!

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That is how ancient man communicated, but I wasn't talking about the bible I refer to the facts and reality of NOW

You know that wasn't the point. I don't accept anything a person on this board says is a "fact". Investigate it all. There are some here who have a history of distorting the truth.

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Was that snark, or a dodge because you got nothing just NOISE?

I was simply agreeing with you. You have claimed something to be true for which you clearly have no evidence, so there is nothing else you can do. Exactly correct.

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No I was referring to being specific on what the money was spent on. Or an accounting for rising cost of living or other pertinent factors to discuss.

When we go broke, I'm sure it will be comforting to you when you check into what the MONEY WE DIDN'T HAVE was spent on. That's just excuse making. The truth is, you won't get on the balanced budget bandwagon because you know full well that your hero, Mr. Obama, was the biggest budget offender of all time. But if you ever decide to get honest, then perhaps we can join together in raising our voices for fiscal sanity. Sadly, I won't hold my breath until that happens.

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Maybe we should investigate you for some kind of insanity, and I admit the dufus's lying cheating and bullying does irk me though not to the degree your rhetoric suggest. I figure you should be irked at his antics words and behavior too, but since you got your tax cuts and conservative judges during good economic times you may be placated enough to ignore the other crap he spews.

I despise his abrasive words and behavior, just like I despised Obama's slick lying. The difference between me and you is that you hate Trump and so you are critical of him, but you practically worship Obama so you won't say anything negative about him. I am an equal opportunity criticizer. If you ever get to the place of being willing to be honest about Obama, then your words about Trump will begin to have a ring of honesty to them and not just the tinkling sound of desperate partisanship.

jlisenbe: Today's society claims they want truth but what they really want is "packaging" of information so that it is "fed to them" and it smells good.....its all about how good this version of truth sounds and how good this version of truth looks.....and this is one reason TRUMP isn't popular with these "touchy-feely" types: TRUMPS speaks truth WITHOUT the packaging: Its appropriate to steal the movie line: "You want the TRUTH? You can't handle the TRUTH!".

What will be funnier than all hades will be when TRUMP trounces his opponent in Nov., 2020: He is going beat the bricks off of them and even they know it. Can you imagine a weirdo like Bloomberg or Biden against Trump: Trump will clean his boots on them.

@JL

I recognize the Tea Party mentality, and like the movement was subverted by establishment repubs before, you have allowed the dufus to subvert it again.

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jlisenbe: Today's society claims they want truth but what they really want is "packaging" of information so that it is "fed to them" and it smells good.....its all about how good this version of truth sounds and how good this version of truth looks.....and this is one reason TRUMP isn't popular with these "touchy-feely" types: TRUMPS speaks truth WITHOUT the packaging: Its appropriate to steal the movie line: "You want the TRUTH? You can't handle the TRUTH!".

What will be funnier than all hades will be when TRUMP trounces his opponent in Nov., 2020: He is going beat the bricks off of them and even they know it. Can you imagine a weirdo like Bloomberg or Biden against Trump: Trump will clean his boots on them.

Naw Vac, people just want to be listened to and acknowledged even if it's different than the preconceived notions of what's always been acceptable. That's our conflict, folks are tired of fitting into neat little categories to please the so called mainstream.

LOL, even if the dufus gets re elected will he have a congress that can protect him still? Half the country wants him impeached AND removed, Maybe he doesn't get removed, but he may end up severely limited and that is a good outcome too. Truth is you guys should have paid better attention when you lost the House, and started covering your butts by toning down the noise.

The TRUTH is it depends on the 2018 turnout. Dems don't have to win the WH to win the election, just winning the congress against a lame duck dufus will make a heckuva difference on the right wing loony fun and games. Just ask Obama how that works.

I don't know how you can celebrate your government becoming ineffective. It seems, on average, your government is effective for a small period every four years and maybe not even then. I know the word Congress is the opposite of progress but you don't have to prove it. I live in a place where this happens much more rarely, although it did happen last week: bloody communists, reactionaries and independents. There is nothing worse than a lame duck government just sitting there taking abuse

I expect Trump to win easily, especially if polling is correct which shows that he is going to get a significant portion of the black vote. If that happens, then it's over for the dems.

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I don't know how you can celebrate your government becoming ineffective. It seems, on average, your government is effective for a small period every four years and maybe not even then. I know the word Congress is the opposite of progress but you don't have to prove it. I live in a place where this happens much more rarely, although it did happen last week: bloody communists, reactionaries and independents. There is nothing worse than a lame duck government just sitting there taking abuse

Certainly makes you wonder how the US of A is the top country in the world despite our ineffective lazy arrogant a$$es and has been for an awful long time.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I expect Trump to win easily, especially if polling is correct which shows that he is going to get a significant portion of the black vote. If that happens, then it's over for the dems.

Define significant!

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Define significant!

Polling shows it to be as much as a third of the black vote. If he can go from 8% to 30%, he will win easily, and it will be an alarm bell for the dems to see black voters fleeing from their addiction to liberal ideals. It is bound to happen sooner or later.

Paraclete: Like Talaniman alluded to: Yes, we may be IMPERFECT but the U.S. is about AS PERFECT AS YOU ARE GOING TO FIND IN THIS WORLD in terms of our election process and Governmental architecture. In the U.S., we have ELECTION cycles of 2 year Congressman, 6 years Senator, and 4 year President: WE GET WHAT WE VOTE FOR, ITS THE AMERICAN WAY. If the result of that voting selection is such that it means gridlock, well, that is what it is: Its our democracy in action, even though, technically, the United States is a Republic. In any event, WE AIN'T CHANGING OUR SYSTEM.

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Polling shows it to be as much as a third of the black vote. If he can go from 8% to 30%, he will win easily, and it will be an alarm bell for the dems to see black voters fleeing from their addiction to liberal ideals. It is bound to happen sooner or later.

Dream on but don't bet the farm on black voters helping the dufus significantly more than they have.

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Dream on but don't bet the farm on black voters helping the dufus significantly more than they have

I think black voters are a lot smarter than you give them credit. Many of them know what an amazing economy we are presently enjoying and who is responsible for much of it.

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I think black voters are a lot smarter than you give them credit. Many of them know what an amazing economy we are presently enjoying and who is responsible for much of it.

And they don't see women and POC in his cabinet and see 95% whites at his rallies. (What "amazing economy"?)

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And they don't see women and POC in his cabinet and see 95% whites at his rallies. (What "amazing economy"?)

Please, please tell me your comment about the economy was a joke.

I guess you just don't understand sarcasm

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Please, please tell me your comment about the economy was a joke.

Care for a kool-aid refill?

So you admit it was a joke. Thank goodness. I was worried about you.

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I think black voters are a lot smarter than you give them credit. Many of them know what an amazing economy we are presently enjoying and who is responsible for much of it.

Yup, you are correct there and while on paper the economy is healthy, the amazing part is not shared by as many as you think, and most people are smart enough to know that the dufus is a small part of that health. Just consider the huge number of Americans not invested in the stock market and go from there. Unfortunately for you, half the country is wondering when that amazing economy trickles down enough to cover rising cost of goods services and just plain living.

Specifically black voters are a whole lot smarter than you think they are for sure and have seen this movie before, and know a lying cheating white man when we see it that is a racist to boot. Not just blacks, but Latinos and females as well. You can read and spout all the propaganda you want to about the glory of the dufus, that doesn't change the FACT half the country wants him investigated, impeached, and removed from office.

For all the right wing noise that process has already started.

You guys are a lost cause

Talaniman: "The process" of removing Trump from office require a continuum of traction: The "chain" pulling this garage bin of accusations must not have any weak links....and disconnects in train require it to start over, and that is the problem: No momentum for Trump's removal will ever be enough....why? Because the SENATE TRIAL knocks the whole process off the rails. TRUMP TRAIN will keep on chugging along.

A Senate trial could very well end up as a huge embarrassment for the dems.

jlisenbe: It will be a huge problem for the left: Demos are unprepared and unequipped for such a fact-filled/fact-based venture: THIS AIN'T THE SCHIFF SHOW NO MORE! His show got Low Ratings: The American people hated it and turned against it. The NEW SHOW will have high ratings as the very fabric of the left's accusations will be torn apart, never to be mended again! The whole affair will boost Trump and will suck all of the air out of the room for any of Demo POTUS candidates. Looks like Repubs will take the House back, too: Repubs are spineless jello balls but they look like they may be growing something back there....they have a long ways to go, though.

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A Senate trial could very well end up as a huge embarrassment for the dems.

Or it could go against the dufus and repubs as well.

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jlisenbe: It will be a huge problem for the left: Demos are unprepared and unequipped for such a fact-filled/fact-based venture: THIS AIN'T THE SCHIFF SHOW NO MORE! His show got Low Ratings: The American people hated it and turned against it. The NEW SHOW will have high ratings as the very fabric of the left's accusations will be torn apart, never to be mended again! The whole affair will boost Trump and will suck all of the air out of the room for any of Demo POTUS candidates. Looks like Repubs will take the House back, too: Repubs are spineless jello balls but they look like they may be growing something back there....they have a long ways to go, though.

I've seen reports the hearings gained as much audience share as Monday Night Football, but who knows since half the country is in favor of investigate impeach and remove and if senate repubs grow a pair, they may get what they want. We could know in a week or so what the charges are so place your bets folks.

Talaniman: Not to make light of such a grave matter....but: I don't bet...however, does anyone want to wager that Vegas has ODDS ON IMPEACHMENT or, possibly, ODDS ON TRUMP'S REMOVAL FROM OFFICE or TRUMP'S WINNING THE 2020 POTUS ELECTION? My guess is that they do and there are betting lines on it.

Funny you should say it that way. We are going from the inquiry phase to the prosecutorial phase, while dufusites whine about the process, witnesses, and prosecutors not to the issues of the LAW! Of course the obligatory conspiracy theory is front and center from Vlad's mouth to the GOP senators.

Some defense eh?

Lack of evidence. Very simple. "I heard someone say that he heard that other guy tell his friend that Trump might have mentioned a quid pro quo," doesn't get you very far.

Well JL, we could just wait for the charges and evidence to be presented.

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Well JL, we could just wait for the charges and evidence to be presented.

It seems to me we have an abundance of charges and a paucity of evidence, but as you say, we will just have to wait and see.

In the meantime the dufus declines to participate in inpeachment inquiry. So much for exercising his rights.

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In the meantime the dufus declines to participate in inpeachment inquiry. So much for exercising his rights.

well, of course, he should exercise his rights and not attend the demonrat kangaroo court. the hearing lasted 10 "witnesses"

BACK TO THE OP

Greta, the deluded child who is now the front person for climate debate, is making her way by sail boat to the climate conference and will arrive late. Couldn't have much to contribute, perhaps. It appears when interviewed recently and asked what she proposed as a solution she had nothing to contribute and suggested the question should be answered by others. Another indication of the stupidity of the climate change debate

Well Clete we complain about fires and storms and such things but do nothing so really who cares? Seems the kids do!

Paraclete & Talaniman: I think she acts strange because she has Tourette's Syndrome of something damn near like it.

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Paraclete & Talaniman: I think she acts strange because she has Tourette's Syndrome of something damn near like it.

Tourette's? Huh? Do you know the signs of Tourette's?

She's autistic. And is a wonderful example of someone who has overcome some of the "negative" characteristics of autism.

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Tourette's? Huh? Do you know the signs of Tourette's?

She's autistic. And is a wonderful example of someone who has overcome some of the "negative" characteristics of autism.

No, the negative aspects are still there, the anger, and the inability to see both sides of the argument, she has no respect for anyone who doesn't share her view, and she is a stooge for Soros. Greta doesn't understand you don't get what you want by failing to negotiate. I understand, my grandson is autistic and difficult to see that others have rights and opinions too. Greta was right when she said she should be in school

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Well Clete we complain about fires and storms and such things but do nothing so really who cares? Seems the kids do!

Tal, they don't care they are manipulated by teachers and leftists who only seek political advantage. you would think that if answers were there we would have found them by now, but the answers are too damn unpalatable. One solution turn off all the unnecessary illumination in cities

Didn't you just say you booted the lefties, so do something before they get back iin power, besides blaming a kid for being an angry stooge of left wing politics. I'd be mad to if you called me a left wing stooge then do nothing but whine about the weather, while the country burns and the storms keep a coming.

Things seem to have gotten worse since you righties got the power. It has here any way.

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Didn't you just say you booted the lefties, so do something before they get back iin power, besides blaming a kid for being an angry stooge of left wing politics. I'd be mad to if you called me a left wing stooge then do nothing but whine about the weather, while the country burns and the storms keep a coming.

Things seem to have gotten worse since you righties got the power. It has here any way.

No, Things are great here, except for nature which is doing its thing as it has for thousands of years, There is a reason why plants here propagate by fire and it isn't aborigines. There is also a reason why this is the dryest continent and reducing CO2 isn't going to change that, so Greta,and Tal, have you been told today? consider yourself told

By the way Tal, my son is a little close to this one so I have a right to be concerned
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-...nings/11762260

I got ya Clete, can't say as I blame you, but man has to adapt to the conditioons or get extincted. You're lucky if you have a small carbon footprint. Some regions and people do not. There is nothing fouler than living near something man builds. Can't blame kids for being mad about it either. Back in the day we use to be those kids and we were mad too.

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Let's throw away trash in bins, not on the ground or in waterways. And pick up any trash you see lying around.

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W.G.: In the U.S., the scene in the picture you've shown here should be a rarity. At some point, a balance must be considered between what you see here and carbon emissions: Much of what you see can be burned for fuel by BOILERS.

Wondergirl, such scenes are found in the third world, not where I live, we actively discourage waste.

Vac; Not sure that burning in boilers is a great idea, it creates much particulate pollution unless active abatement measures are taken, in places where such dumps exist these measures don't exist