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Yes those demonrats are stubborn but they concocted a reason for impeachment that has just been knocked on its head. Trump has every right to appeal to a court when subpoena is delivered by Congress, it is not obstruction. beginning to wonder, who has the better lawyers?
Ok one down, one to go
The Dufus has the senate!
Much better than that, he has the law. I have a feeling this is going to turn out badly for the dems come 2020.Quote:
The Dufus has the senate!
That's what the senate trial should be about. Did the dufus commit high crimes and misdemeanors. Moscow Mitch says before the House vote the fix is in already so things will go very quickly in the dufus favor. The very definition of a kangaroo court, even as Rudy has said very publicly he got our Ukraine ambassador fired because she was in the way of the dufus re election scheme. I think the only law the dufus has on his side is the one he makes up as he goes along.
Senate repubs want those "protected" 1st account witnesses to testify, repubs want no witnesses and a quick vote. Tell me all about fair and impartial and the law! Tell me about the FACTS that repubs don't want to face.
These are crocodile tears by the Demos: The Senate Trial hasn't even begun and they are already crying the blues about unfairness: They don't have a leg to stand on to talk about UNFAIRNESS after the way they, through Little Adam Schiff and The Human Penguin Nadler, have conducted the House Impeachment Inquiry, so this is all entirely disingenuous.
You think the Senate Trial should be about HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS? Well, that's funny because neither one of the violations the House Inquiry named fit either of those definitions.
And why in the name of unholy hell would anyone buy into the plea for sympathy by the Demos complaining that the Senate has already made up its mind about which way its voting without the evidence being presented? ISN'T THAT WHAT THE DEMOS DID EVEN BEFORE TRUMP EVER TOOK OFFICE: THEY WERE ALREADY CALLING FOR IMPEACHMENT AS SOON AS THE 2016 ELECTION WAS OVER......CRY ME A RIVER!
Can't deny we were not just shocked and extremely appalled by the dufus election, but can you blame us? Who would have thought a lying, cheating, bad mouthing, bully, racist could win a presidential election in America? Okay he won, but I think the dems have the same right to oppose the repubs agenda and work to make him a one term president as repubs did when Obama was elected. I just hope we are better at it than the repubs were. I think we are. Regardless looks like the dems are going to bring it!
Like we care what you guys and the dufus do about it!
She didn't win.Quote:
Who would have thought a lying, cheating, bad mouthing, bully, racist could win a presidential election in America?
He did though, even after his corrupt ways had been exposed.
You would have to say the same thing if HC had won. They are two birds of a feather. The difference is that Trump actually has some idea of how to get things to work.
Listen to me carefully. Read my lips. HC DIDN'T become president. She's not an issue. No, trump has no clue how things work, not only finances but also human emotions and disabilities and LBGTQIA issues and racial concerns. He has made that manifestly clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Oh, did I mention women's and children's issues? I'm sure I will think of more.... Every video of him is a SNL performance.
First of all, glad you're back and hope you are feeling better. Secondly, I can't read your lips since I can't see you. And for a guy who has no clue how things work, the economy is fantastic and better than in decades, so I think a fair-minded person would have to give him some credit. Human emotions? Please. LBGTQIAXMCIA? He's done nothing to hurt them other than not wanting men to go into women's restrooms with the little girls. Women's and children's issues? The ability for moms and dads to get and keep a good job is very much an issue for those groups.Quote:
Listen to me carefully. Read my lips. HC DIDN'T become president. She's not an issue. No, trump has no clue how things work, not only finances but also human emotions and disabilities and LBGTQIA issues and racial concerns. He has made that manifestly clear.
Oh, did I mention women's and children's issues? I'm sure I will think of more.... Every video of him is a SNL performance.
He is not my first choice, but the party that ran a complete incompetent like HC just cannot complain very much. Tell me anything of consequence she ever accomplished other than conducting official state business, including confidential correspondence, on a unsecured, toy email server she kept in a bathroom closet. So that's the relevance of HC in this conversation. Tal loves to complain endlessly of Trump's character issues, but his party's nominee was no better and probably worse, and I have no intention of letting him forget about that. He voted for the same level of character we presently have in office and she was probably worse.
Nope, actually am feeling worse. The hemotolgist thinks I have an infection or virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Nope. Nein. Nada. He's still pulling Obama's economy improvements out of his ... umm ... clown pants. You're a Christian. I grew up as a Southern conservative Republican Christian just like you did. I cannot understand why you can't see Trump for the mean and obscene and cruel human he is. What are you gaining ???Quote:
And for a guy who has no clue how things work, the economy is fantastic and better than in decades, so I think a fair-minded person would have to give him some credit.
Pssst, those are STRAIGHT MALE PEDOPHILES dressing up. LGBTQ people go into a public bathroom, do their business, wash their hands, and leave. Plus, no mother of young children sends her daughters into a public bathroom unescorted. It didn't happen in the '50s or during the decades thereafter. You must not be a mother of young daughters. It. Just. Isn't. Done.Quote:
Human emotions? Please. LBGTQIAXMCIA? He's done nothing to hurt them other than not wanting men to go into women's restrooms with the little girls.
Now, let's gather around the crackling fire in the fireplace and I will tell you about my 30 years of library experiences with LGBTQs and pedophiles.
Your family has apparently lived the American Dream.Quote:
Women's and children's issues? The ability for moms and dads to get and keep a good job is very much an issue for those groups.
Repubs NEVER did to Obama what the Demos are doing to Trump: AND YOU KNOW IT.
The ECONOMY is taking off like a rocket: Your arguments that Trump has nothing to do with it are becoming more and more moronic.....TRUMP HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT! The people will vote to preserve their pocketbooks come 2020 and that will show you that they do, indeed, credit Trump with the ECONOMIC GIGANTICISM we are seeing today.
What evidence do you or anybody else have of Trump be a RACIST? This is a false charge and it is a charge that will be utterly destroyed by the 2020 POTUS Election results providing the percentage of Blacks voting for him.....The left is the real RACIST out there: The left demeans Blacks as unable to think for themselves and that the left has to think for them: THAT IS THE WORST!
What is your evidence of that? Why is it that you politically liberal individuals have such an inability to see the obvious?Quote:
Nope. Nein. Nada. He's still pulling Obama's economy improvements out of his ... umm ... clown pants
I did not become a Christian until my adult years, I spent much of my childhood outside of the south, and the south was a democratic stronghold at that time, so it's kind of "3 strikes and you're out!" Gotta be careful with that prejudice stuff.Quote:
You're a Christian. I grew up as a Southern conservative Republican Christian just like you did.
You need to read MUCH more carefully. The point is that we had a choice between two mean, obscene, and cruel humans. I selected the one who ran on a pro-life, pro-constitution, pro traditional marriage, pro economic growth platform. Your darling HC was pro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro liberal federal judges, and wouldn't have the slightest idea of how to improve an economy.Quote:
I cannot understand why you can't see Trump for the mean and obscene and cruel human he is. What are you gaining ???
You have no way of knowing who those men are who dress up like women. I have a simple solution. If you are XX, you go to the women's room. If you are XY, you go to the men's room. If you are a man wearing a dress in public, then grow a brain and stop doing that. It's stupid and you are degrading yourself by doing so.Quote:
Pssst, those are STRAIGHT MALE PEDOPHILES dressing up. LGBTQ people go into a public bathroom, do their business, wash their hands, and leave. Plus, no mother of young children sends her daughters into a public bathroom unescorted. It didn't happen in the '50s or during the decades thereafter. You must not be a mother of young daughters. It. Just. Isn't. Done.
OK. I'm sure we can set national policy on the basis of your fireplace lectures. I'm sure they would be interesting and I'd be glad to hear them, but they would have no credibility whatsoever in formulating a point of view that would result in policy changes.Quote:
Now, let's gather around the crackling fire in the fireplace and I will tell you about my 30 years of library experiences with LGBTQs and pedophiles.
Well said, Vac. Well said.Quote:
The ECONOMY is taking off like a rocket: Your arguments that Trump has nothing to do with it are becoming more and more moronic.....TRUMP HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT! The people will vote to preserve their pocketbooks come 2020 and that will show you that they do, indeed, credit Trump with the ECONOMIC GIGANTICISM we are seeing today.
What evidence do you or anybody else have of Trump be a RACIST? This is a false charge and it is a charge that will be utterly destroyed by the 2020 POTUS Election results providing the percentage of Blacks voting for him.....The left is the real RACIST out there: The left demeans Blacks as unable to think for themselves and that the left has to think for them: THAT IS THE WORST!
You wingers crack me up some time you really do. You always want evidence and when you get it, for whatever reason it's never good enough or you find ways to dismiss it. Life is just so unfair isn't it? Maybe we all get over it and accept our politics divides us deeply. Now JL I have to correct a point of fact. A twist of history had the southern democrats change parties and become republicans, same people different party.
Currently though, is it the dems fault that the dufus is so far out of bounds that he merits more extreme measures to reign him in since obviously repubs either don't care or are helpless to moderate him in any useful way. That you just grumble at his nasty mouth and ways is a testament you don't care, and repubs are to afraid to push back his most crazy behavior.
The big lie you guys tell yourself is Obama, or even HC, is the same way, but politics aside, the dufus is a lousy excuse of a human, and was before you elected him. Your not a victim of dem politics, just your own zeal to dominate our society and get what you want. Hey I get that, but let's not use that as an excuse to normalize bad behavior by ignoring it and justifying it by painting your opposition as worse than you. We are not, just have a different way of governance. No the dufus could never run as a dem, he knew it, but as a fire breathing repub his circus is a hit and goes very well with repubs politics of seek and destroy the opposition. I have to admit he does it so well. Perfect in fact.
Expecting dems to roll over though and let him run buck wild with his side show is not going to happen so circle the wagons if you must, but stop whining because we are going to push back against you and your loony base, against the dufus. Win loose or draw it's on so lets get after it. Doesn't matter whether you like it or NOT!
1. The suggestion was that I was raised a southern republican. I was pointing out that the republicans were not popular in the south at that time, so your "evidence" ends up being useless.
2. "..but let's not use that as an excuse to normalize bad behavior by ignoring it." You mean kind of like you overlook and completely excuse the Benghazi disaster and the subsequent lying cover-up? Wow. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, there it is.
3. The most loony thing on this board I know of is your on-going, never ending idea that HC was somehow a wonderful person who should either have been elected pres or appointed to be the next Catholic saint. If you think she has any better character than Trump, then you need therapy ASAP. You are living in a liberal democrat induced truth coma.
4. As to impeachment, if you ever come up with an impeachable offense, get back with us. You can also tell us the names of those five people who testified they had direct knowledge of the president's guilt. Still kind of waiting on that. For that matter, so are the American people.
5. "Win loose or draw it's on so lets get after it. Doesn't matter whether you like it or NOT!" I would agree with that. At least it's a true statement, so that's progress.
1. The suggestion was that I was raised a southern republican. I was pointing out that the republicans were not popular in the south at that time, so your "evidence" ends up being useless.
It's wasn't meant as evidence, just historical FACTS.
2. "..but let's not use that as an excuse to normalize bad behavior by ignoring it." You mean kind of like you overlook and completely excuse the Benghazi disaster and the subsequent lying cover-up? Wow. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, there it is.
Never have I done that, so that makes YOU the liar here!
3. The most loony thing on this board I know of is your on-going, never ending idea that HC was somehow a wonderful person who should either have been elected pres or appointed to be the next Catholic saint. If you think she has any better character than Trump, then you need therapy ASAP. You are living in a liberal democrat induced truth coma.
Another lie of yours since I have never done or said that either!
4. As to impeachment, if you ever come up with an impeachable offense, get back with us. You can also tell us the names of those five people who testified they had direct knowledge of the president's guilt. Still kind of waiting on that. For that matter, so are the American people.
Keep waiting but it's passed you by, and worse the names I gave are people with knowledge who the dufus prevents from testifying so that dog don't hunt. He will be impeached and about half the American people agree with it. Your half don't but who cares.
5. "Win loose or draw it's on so lets get after it. Doesn't matter whether you like it or NOT!" I would agree with that. At least it's a true statement, so that's progress.
You want to roll around in the front yard a few minites, Let's go, just have oxygen handy...enough for both of us.
So you were not using facts as evidence? OOOhhhhhh.Quote:
It's wasn't meant as evidence, just historical FACTS.
So you admit that Benghazi was a disaster and that Obama lied!! Wonderful. We are making progress.Quote:
Never have I done that, so that makes YOU the liar here!
And now are you agreeing that HC is a person of low character in the same way as Trump. This progress we're making now is HISTORIC!Quote:
Another lie of yours since I have never done or said that either!
Except, of course, that you gave no names of any witness who said they had direct evidence of guilt, so you are reduced to the pathetic position of appealing to "ghost" witnesses who you think might have something incriminating. "Your Honor, the accused is guilty because we know of people who might come in and say something of interest!" To which the judge would respond, "Not guilty, and you idiot prosecutors need to get out of my court and learn something about law."Quote:
Keep waiting but it's passed you by, and worse the names I gave are people with knowledge who the dufus prevents from testifying so that dog don't hunt.
Get TWO LARGE tanks. And that would be just for me!Quote:
You want to roll around in the front yard a few minites, Let's go, just have oxygen handy...enough for both of us.
If I did I would explain what it was evidence of besides you being wrong. No just stating the known facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I've always said it was a tragic disaster, Obama lied? NAW! Romney tried that tact before you and you both got corrected with evidence. Not my problem if you ignore dismiss or don't believe the evidence. You do that a lot!Quote:
So you admit that Benghazi was a disaster and that Obama lied!! Wonderful. We are making progress.
Not even close dude. I would rather have HC in the WH, and I didn't have to hold my nose and vote for her. There is nothing I could hold to vote for the dufus.Quote:
And now are you agreeing that HC is a person of low character in the same way as Trump. This progress we're making now is HISTORIC!
The names I gave are whose testimony I would want to get to the truth of the matter but I think all the witnesses that testified gave enough probable cause to look deeper and closer to the dufus. Mueller's Report did that too, but Rudy is the star witness, and his public statements leave little doubt of a bigger scheme. You can't ignore any of it, and call yourself serious about getting at the truth from someone who lies cheats and steals for a living. It's like a right wing bible thumper making a deal with the devil himself.Quote:
Except, of course, that you gave no names of any witness who said they had direct evidence of guilt, so you are reduced to the pathetic position of appealing to "ghost" witnesses who you think might have something incriminating. "Your Honor, the accused is guilty because we know of people who might come in and say something of interest!" To which the judge would respond, "Not guilty, and you idiot prosecutors need to get out of my court and learn something about law."
LOL, I think an EMT to administer it would be a reasonable thing to have in case I can't move! On further thought that would be pretty stupid for both of us wouldn't it? Be hilarious on RIDICULOUSNESS though.Quote:
Get TWO LARGE tanks. And that would be just for me!
See what I mean?Quote:
Obama lied? NAW!
That makes me two for two.Quote:
Not even close dude. I would rather have HC in the WH, and I didn't have to hold my nose and vote for her.
That's always the case. If only we could get a few more witnesses. If only we could get Rudy. If only we could have an independent investigation. If only we could bring in witness after witness after witness. At some point you need some direct evidence. You have nothing at this point. Enough is enough.Quote:
but I think all the witnesses that testified gave enough probable cause to look deeper and closer to the dufus. Mueller's Report did that too,
Yeah. Having a cup of coffee is a much better idea.Quote:
LOL, I think an EMT to administer it would be a reasonable thing to have in case I can't move! On further thought that would be pretty stupid for both of us wouldn't it?
Yes I think I'll do that now, it would be more interesting than arguing back and forthQuote:
Yeah. Having a cup of coffee is a much better idea.
Very true.Quote:
it would be more interesting than arguing back and forth
Prosecutors interview witness after witness all the time and have you ever heard of any suspect saying NO to interviews and subpoenas? I mean 17 people smelling a stank cannot and should not be ignored, unless you think the president is above the law.
Plus it bothers me a guy can write a book, but not testify before the congress. His characterization of the whole mess was a drug deal. I want to know how he arrived at that conclusion. Getting an ambassador fired for corruption or whatever as part of a scheme by Rudy and his thug goons working for that Firtash guy is highly suspicious to me? You and repubs don't seem to bothered by that though.
We just need a few more weeks, a few more witnesses, or a few more millions of dollars. Sorry, but enough is enough.
Don't expect dems to listen to you. Moscow Mitch just had a hissy fit because Schumer went public calling for witnesses. This is after MM went on Fox saying he will work with the WH on this impeachmet thing. I'll let you know when enough is enough after we impeach the dufus.
Nearly half the country agrees with me!
He will not be convicted and he will likely be reelected, possibly in a landslide. If that happens, then we'll see what you think then.Quote:
Don't expect dems to listen to you. Moscow Mitch just had a hissy fit because Schumer went public calling for witnesses. This is after MM went on Fox saying he will work with the WH on this impeachmet thing. I'll let you know when enough is enough after we impeach the dufus.
Nearly half the country agrees with me!
Pretty optimistic of you, fair enough and a worst case scenerio for me. Losing the House and failing to take the senate, and keeping the dufus is the absolute worst thing for me, and our country. It's a long way off and much can happen between then and now.
I don't see a landslide though, but I've screwed up before. I would hate to even think the dufus and repubs get rewarded for such incompetent feckless behavior no matter what the economy is doing. Thank you Mr. Obama for doing a much better job than some give you credit for.
To keep giving credit to Obama as the savior of our economy is getting long in the tooth, especially when it isn't true: Look at the STOCK MARKET! All of the left's dire predictions of doom and gloom are about the impending GREAT DEPRESSION II are also turning out to be B.S.!
It is very easy to see the difference between the Demos and the Repubs (since that is ALL WE HAVE TO SEE BECAUSE THEY KILL OF 3RD PARTY CONTENDERS!):
1) Demos - Glass is half-empty
2) Repubs - Glass is half-full
3) Demos - The day is Partly Cloudy
4) Repubs - The day is Partly Sunny
5) Demos - Lets concentrate on INVESTIGATIONS
6) Repubs - Lets concentrate on the ECONOMY
Let me know when you find someone who is strong enough to rise to the challenge despite the opposition. Until then independents can make their own decisions with the choices we have. Stop playing victim and making excuses why you don't have what you want. Seems a fertile ground for a 3rd party given both dems and repubs only represent a little more than half the country combined. 60% to be correct.
Let me know when you find such a person.
Read em and weep. Latest polling data by Quinnipiac shows the following:
In today's poll, 45 percent say President Trump should be impeached and removed from office, while 51 percent don't think so. However, opposition to impeachment has increased since the hearings began. Prior to the start of impeachment hearings, in an October 23 poll, support for impeachment was 48 - 46 percent.
Today, Republicans say President Trump should not be impeached from office 95 - 5 percent, independents say the president should not be impeached and removed from office 58 - 36 percent, while Democrats say President Trump should be impeached and removed from office 86 - 11 percent.
The polling is definitely swinging Trump's way.
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release...ReleaseID=3652
Might want to look at this as well. Congressional job approval rating is now 22% approve and 65% disapprove. The republicans have to be licking their chops.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...roval-903.html
Why would republicans be licking their chops?Quote:
Congressional job approval rating is now 22% approve and 65% disapprove. The republicans have to be licking their chops.
Also of note from your link,
On other issues related to impeachment, voters say:
- 53 - 44 percent that the president abuses the power of his office;
- 52 percent that the president was pursuing his own personal interest in his dealings with Ukraine to 40 percent that he was pursuing the national interest;
- 48 - 40 percent that President Trump held up military aid to Ukraine because he wanted the Ukrainian president to announce investigations that would benefit Trump politically;
- 48 - 44 percent that the president has committed any crimes while in office.
Nearly two thirds, 64 percent, say it is not acceptable for the President of the United States to ask a foreign leader to investigate a political rival, while 23 percent say it is acceptable.
All of your data above is true enough, and yet the majority of Americans are against impeachment. Interesting.
WG, the repubs are licking their chops with the tide of impeachment going against the dems and the favorable ratings for Congress so low, then it all spells success for Trump's reelection and repubs regaining control of the House. However, the winds of politics are fickle.
It would help if elected repubs weren't so afraid of the dufus and would restrain his worst impulses. Like a pit bull owner allowing his mutt to run buck wild through the neighborhood terrorizing everybody and barking all night! That's no good.
They're just following the example of the dems with Obama.
Please don't deflect but honestly respond to tal's wondering why the elected repubs are "so afraid of the dufus and [don't] restrain his worst impulses."Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
His claim is speculative and thus does not merit a response. And it is not deflecting to point out his hypocrisy in wanting repubs to do what he did not do, and will still not do, with Obama.Quote:
so afraid of the dufus and [don't] restrain his worst impulses."
Hope you are feeling better.
If trump isn't reelected in 2020 and if the Senate remains Republican but loses their dear leader, there goes all that influence and money. The party will crash and burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Thanks for asking. Nope. I hope my hematologist will be able to snap me out of this horrible sludgy feeling soon.Quote:
Hope you are feeling better.
There is no comparison between the words, actions, and behaviors of Obama and the dufus. Such a comparison only makes the dufus look worse. Obama did lose the House and senate, and so far the dufus lost the House and we will see about the rest. However the dems will do their job, and the senate will do theirs even though we sort of know they won't. Personally, I don't care what repubs do in the senate...that's on them, and the chips will fall where they fall. Should be interesting though.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Nah, more important fish to fry than Trump and have you noticed, Xi, Kim and Khomeini are quiet, it is as though there is a hushed silence as they if don't add to Trump's burdensQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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