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That is really a question for Jesus to answer. He answers it in Matthew 25.Quote:
First answer this: Why do you consign all human beings who ever lived and did not believe in a religion the way you do, why do you consign them to eternal punishment in hell? Why do you do that?
Nice try at changing the subject. If I was an Obama supporter, I'd try to change the subject as well.
If I was a dufus supporter I would be hiding under a rock. If I was an American ally, I would be hiding under a rock. If I worked for the dufus, I'd quit and find a rock to hide under. If I was a dufus defender like JL, I would change the subject to Obama and find a rock to hide under unless I knew how to duck all those rocks being chunked at him.
1. I am not a Trump supporter, but I do like to give credit where credit is due, and to resist the widespread (especially on this board) prevalence of TDS.Quote:
If I was a dufus supporter I would be hiding under a rock. If I was an American ally, I would be hiding under a rock. If I worked for the dufus, I'd quit and find a rock to hide under. If I was a dufus defender like JL, I would change the subject to Obama and find a rock to hide under unless I knew how to duck all those rocks being chunked at him.
2. I will continue to bring up Obama and all of his scandals and failures until you get honest enough to acknowledge them. You need to get rid of your "I Love Obama Dearly" bumper sticker.
That's a lie since you want to give the dufus ALL the credit, and diminish Obama's accomplishments and making up scandals that amount to BS! Debunked mostly right wing loony BS! You should examine yourself for TDS!Quote:
1. I am not a Trump supporter, but I do like to give credit where credit is due, and to resist the widespread (especially on this board) prevalence of TDS.
We are all familiar with that dodge to keep everybody from focusing on the outlandish words, outrageous behavior, and disingenuous selfish bully antics of the dufus. Do you even realize you've been holding your nose nearly 3 freaking years and have managed to CONVERT yourself to a blithering mouth breather?Quote:
2. I will continue to bring up Obama and all of his scandals and failures until you get honest enough to acknowledge them. You need to get rid of your "I Love Obama Dearly" bumper sticker.
I don't even have an I Love Obama Dearly bumper sticker! Maybe you need a DUMP THE DUFUS banner, or IMPEACH the Orange Idiot. yard sign. Or just let go of your own nose, so you can BREATH better, and don't risk asphyxiation while brushing your own teeth.
I bet you sound funny on the phone too!
It is not a lie. I would be very much more satisfied with Gingrich or Pence. But Trump is wildly preferable to the current crop of losers running for the dem nomination.Quote:
That's a lie since you want to give the dufus ALL the credit, and diminish Obama's accomplishments and making up scandals that amount to BS! Debunked mostly right wing loony BS! You should examine yourself for TDS!
And again, I will continue to bring up Mr. Obama's many scandals and failures with the hope that one day you will become an honest man.
You don't need the sticker. You practically idolize the man. It is obvious from your obstinate refusal to acknowledge his failings.Quote:
I don't even have an I Love Obama Dearly bumper sticker! Maybe you need a DUMP THE DUFUS banner, or IMPEACH the Orange Idiot. yard sign. Or just let go of your own nose, so you can BREATH better, and don't risk asphyxiation while brushing your own teeth.
Yup. He always kicked their dog when he thought no one was watching. He pulled out the vegetables growing in Michelle's garden because he HATES vegetables. He'd tug on his daughter's long hair when cameras were on the family so they'd make weird faces. He'd spit at the front row of journalists during a news conference. What a jerk!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yep. Just forget all those people who died in Benghazi and the lying that followed it. Don't worry about the VA scandal and the IRS scandal. Forget about Loretta Lynch meeting secretly with BC and then his wife is just coincidentally let off the hook a few days later. And certainly pay no attention to his unflagging support of abortion, the doubling of the national debt, or the mediocre economic growth. Yeah. Nothing to see here for those who love the man so much that they are completely blind to his many faults.Quote:
Yup. He always kicked their dog when he thought no one was watching. He pulled out the vegetables growing in Michelle's garden because he HATES vegetaables. He'd tug on his daughter's long hair when cameras were on the family so they'd make weird faces. He'd spit at the front row of journalists during a news conference. What a jerk!
Honestly, I find you guys to be amazing. I have never met people so completely committed to a political ideology that it absolutely controls every decision they make and makes it impossible to acknowledge even the slightest breath of criticism of liberal icons. It really is astonishing. I don't believe I have ever seen it this bad, and so I guess you deserve congratulations of a peculiar sort.
You mean you have never heard of the true believers?
I'm sure tal and Athos have something to say about your crazy rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Whatchu been drinkin', Willis?Quote:
Honestly, I find you guys to be amazing. I have never met people so completely committed to a political ideology that it absolutely controls every decision they make and makes it impossible to acknowledge even the slightest breath of criticism of liberal icons. It really is astonishing. I don't believe I have ever seen it this bad, and so I guess you deserve congratulations of a peculiar sort.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
When you realize how absurd your belief is, you always throw it onto "Jesus". Previously you admitted it, now you skate around it. Whoever reads your inane posts - especially about Obama - should remember this equally inane/insane belief of yours and measure whatever you say against it.
It's not "changing" the subject - it is informing the subject to throw clarity on how your mind works.
And that's another amazing thing about you guys. No one seems to be able to defend their point of view. It's always someone else who can do it. Plainly and very sadly, you have been drinking the kool aid so long that you just believe whatever the liberal announcers say. As I said, it is amazing to observe. I've never seen it this bad before.Quote:
I'm sure tal and Athos have something to say about your crazy rant.
You have no idea of how to defend Obama, so you want to use a diversion and engage in your usual insults. But it's like I said. Read Matthew 25, and then ask Jesus what you should think about that. It is not complicated. The best thing I can do is to encourage people like you to consider the claims of Christ. I wouldn't be too concerned about what I think if I was you. I will not be your judge on that day.Quote:
When you realize how absurd your belief is, you always throw it onto "Jesus". Previously you admitted it, now you skate around it. Whoever reads your inane posts - especially about Obama - should remember this equally inane/insane belief of yours and measure whatever you say against it.
As usual, you have it backwards. Just look in a mirror to see the truth of what you're projecting. You are a psychologist's dream with your textbook neuroses.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
We all do. It gets tiresome repeating.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
We know it's not complicated. So why won't/can't you answer it?Quote:
It is not complicated.
You all do except, of course, that you all can't. Funny how you and WG want to throw it off on poor ole Tal to do your work for you. That's why I respect Tal. He will at least try to defend his own positions.Quote:
We all do. It gets tiresome repeating.
OK. Since you are evidently too lazy to look up Matthew 25, here you go. Of course I posted it last week, but you must have been too lazy to read it.Quote:
We know it's not complicated. So why won't/can't you answer it?
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44 “Then they also will answer [d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Now I will discuss this with you no more unless you can at least answer one question from that passage. Is there an eternal, fiery hell to which Jesus will send the unrighteous?
Always the put-downs. So Christian of you. Were you shamed as a kid? This psychotherapist wants to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
But isn't that what you are doing? Why, in fact, it is!! Were you shamed as a kid? A good psychotherapist might be able to help you.Quote:
Always the put-downs. So Christian of you. Were you shamed as a kid? This psychotherapist wants to know.
And why is it that your clever observations are only aimed at me? When Athos, for instance, wrote, "Whoever reads your inane posts - especially about Obama - should remember this equally inane/insane belief of yours and measure whatever you say against it," you have nothing to say. Why is that? Why is your outrage so selective?
And that's another quality shared by the 3 liberals on this board. You are outraged by certain behaviors ONLY when exhibited by conservatives. Why is that? Could a psychiatrist help you with that? I certainly hope so.
That isn't shaming. (Do you even know what shaming IS?) I had simply asked you if this is something that you grew up with and is now part of your behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I agree with him. Your posts about Obama are outrageous.Quote:
When Athos, for instance, wrote, "Whoever reads your inane posts - especially about Obama - should remember this equally inane/insane belief of yours and measure whatever you say against it," you have nothing to say. Why is that? Why is your outrage so selective?
Nope. I'm outraged by those behaviors exhibited by anyone. Oh, and more shaming from you. Tsk, tsk.Quote:
And that's another quality shared by the 3 liberals on this board. You are outraged by certain behaviors ONLY when exhibited by conservatives. Why is that? Could a psychiatrist help you with that? I certainly hope so.
And now you are not being honest. You accused me of putdowns. By doing so, you were putting me down. Same thing.Quote:
That isn't shaming. (Do you even know what shaming IS?) I had simply asked you if this is something that you grew up with and is now part of your behavior.
And again, you are not being honest. It was the putdown that was the main point, not how you view my posts. You can't have it both ways.Quote:
I agree with him. Your posts about Obama are outrageous.
You disappoint me, but I'll give you a chance to be honest. Which of these accusations against Obama can you disprove here and now?
1. 4 dead Americans at Benghazi. Obama did nothing to help them, and then lied about the cause of the attack afterwards.
2. VA scandal for which he never held anyone accountable.
3. AG Lynch met in secret for nearly an hour with Bill Clinton. A few days later, the Justice Department declined to press charges against her.
OK. The ball's in your court. Which of those can you prove to be untrue and do so on this board. Not Tal, but you.
Again, you are dishonest. When Obama lied you were not outraged. When Athos or Tal engages in putdowns name calling, you say nothing. I think you need to learn to be honest with yourself.Quote:
Nope. I'm outraged by those behaviors exhibited by anyone. Oh, and more shaming from you. Tsk, tsk.
No, accusing you of putdowns is not a putdown.Quote:
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Your post was, "Always the put-downs. So Christian of you." Yeah, that was a put down. Again, you need to become honest with yourself. And, of course, there is still the issue of Athos and his putdowns which you never correct him for. Why is that?Quote:
No, accusing you of putdowns is not a putdown.
You can dispute the Obama allegations when you are ready.
I hope I don't come across as rude. I've never learned the art of subtlety. I just come right out and say it. Tal is my role model!
Good! You recognized that as a put down! How did it feel when you read it?Quote:
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About what?Quote:
Again, you need to become honest with yourself.
Why should I correct him? Plus, he's bigger than I am!Quote:
And, of course, there is still the issue of Athos and his put downs which you never correct him for. Why is that?
Worldly affairs, things that have been done and not done, what someone said or didn't say.....the loves we wished we had known and the ones we have known....the things we made and the things we didn't make, the opportunities we took and the opportunities we lost....these are but trivial things.....We can be in a crowd and still be alone.....we can take pain killers but we can't stop the pain....we can all run from the horrors of this mortal life but never escape the outcomes.....If we all live long enough, and if we are all allowed to have that one shred of dignity left within our person, on that one day, the day of our final sun rise and final sunset, when we all inevitably reach the end of the line, that final day here on earth, when we all will be broken down, devoid of pleasures of the flesh, stripped of our earthly ways and earthly arrogances, on bent knees, that is the day that we will ALL, universally, utter the three most powerful words that have ever been spoken by man: "GOD SAVE ME".
Nothing else matters as much.....nothing else is as important as your personal relationship with God,
First you say it wasn't, and now you say it was. See what I mean about honesty? As to how it made me feel, that was not a problem. It just comes with the territory in these kinds of discussions. I think there is a difference between name-calling/put downs versus just honest observations. Perhaps the difference is in the intent.Quote:
Good! You recognized that as a put down! How did it feel when you read it?
It's really too bad you are so flippant with these issues. You claim to have, as you put it earlier, an "outrage" about some behaviors, but only when certain people engage in them. That's the primary observation I have of you 3 liberal amigos on this board. It's that lack of ethical consistency that makes me tend to not take you seriously.
DUDE! You know how hard it is to go back and relitigate the past that's been settled by time and the OFFICIAL investigations conducted by everybody and his mama (Including the 7 by the repub House)? While I respect your opinion, forget changing mine by constant sheer brute force repeated references. Like most humans, liberal or not, we are dealing with the dufus in the WH who starts crap every other day, depending on his gas level or perceived slights, or threats. I mean he wakes up looking for a fight and doesn't care who with.
This dufus just does too many outrageous things for liberals to just ignore so we express that while you defend or accept as okay. Not JUST you, but the collective repub/conservatives here and everywhere. As another WB steps forward, it's being reported that Rudy and the bunch were not just rooting out corruption, but specifically on the bosses political foes and his son, but were trying to profit from it through packing the board of the Ukraine energy company with "friendly" members.
Then we have this latest nugget in the continuing impeachment hearings.
Another case of obstruction?
That's not true and you know it. Unlike you, I am an equal opportunity criticizer. You liberals have no problems with being critical of Trump. Your silence in regards to Obama exposes your lack of a genuine ethical base.Quote:
This dufus just does too many outrageous things for liberals to just ignore so we express that while you defend or accept as okay.
Yeah somethings you have weighed in on, I give you that, tepid though it seems to me, but I stand by my comment about relitigating old news, and the current conditions we face now with the liar in chief. I simply question your opinion on the old stuff, and it's gravity and relevance like you now question my opinion on the gravity and relevance of the NOW stuff. It's a wash. Well it would be if you would let it be.
I doubt if you would. Heck repubs were relentless and vocal against Obama, and HC and the rest of his administration, so to expect dems to be any less isn't realistic. LOL, you should have been here back then, as there were pet names for all the dems by our conservative members.
You think you're going to change that NEWBIE? Seriously? Not on my turn you ain't! Like I care what anybody says about my ethical base.
I am neither repub or dem. I just try to hold to the truth. As I have said before, I voted for Trump because voting for an incompetent person like HC was not an option.Quote:
I doubt if you would. Heck repubs were relentless and vocal against Obama, and HC and the rest of his administration, so to expect dems to be any less isn't realistic. LOL, you should have been here back then, as there were pet names for all the dems by our conservative members.
If I had no ethical base, I wouldn't care either.Quote:
You think you're going to change that NEWBIE? Seriously? Not on my turn you ain't! Like I care what anybody says about my ethical base.
I have one for sure, equal if not better than yours brudder! Regardless with or without, you are no better than ME! Now that's a FACT!
Perhaps you can share it with us, and especially if you insist on applying it to everyone or just everyone not named Obama, Schiff, or Clinton.Quote:
I have one for sure, equal if not better than yours brudder! Regardless with or without, you are no better than ME! Now that's a FACT!
I do share you are just a lousy listener sure your nose is the only thing you're holding?
You three liberal amigos are all the same. You get asked a simple, sincere question, and rather than simply answer it, you respond with insults. No answers, mind you, but just name calling. Makes me think that either you don't know the answer, or that you are afraid to write it.Quote:
I do share you are just a lousy listener sure your nose is the only thing you're holding?
All of you Obama/Clinton lovers should read this.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sus...enghazi-attack
It includes this: "The exchange was detailed in Rice's new book, “Tough Love: My Story of the Things Worth Fighting For," as she recalled what led to and what fueled the biggest political controversy of her government career — those appearances on "Fox News Sunday," ABC's "This Week," CBS' "Face the Nation," NBC's "Meet the Press," and CNN's "State of the Union.” Her flawed characterization of the attacks as resulting from a spontaneous protest later made her the target of GOP criticism that ultimately led to her withdrawing from consideration to succeed Clinton as secretary of state."
Looks like ole JL hit the nail on the head.
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