I think you kind of missed the point.Quote:
LOL - good thing you're not an attorney.
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I think you kind of missed the point.Quote:
LOL - good thing you're not an attorney.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The point-missing, as usual, is all yours.
what's the difference between that and“If we had had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime we would have said so; ” ?
'Let the jury considertheir verdict,' the King said, for about the twentieth time that day.'No, no!' said the Queen. 'Sentence first—verdict afterwards.'
Tom, Mueller couldn't find evidence, so he did the next best thing, he resorted to innuendo, Trump has not been given the presumption of innocence, he is obviously guilty of having done something, afterall he stole an election, the election Hilliary couldn't loose
That's the point that seemed to be missed.Quote:
what's the difference between that and “If we had had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime we would have said so; ” ?
Mueller seemed to take that same approach that the dems took against Kavanaugh.
Well it is a well tried tactic, if you don't agree with us we will hound you until you doQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Sadly true.Quote:
Well it is a well tried tactic, if you don't agree with us we will hound you until you do
They couldn't get Trump on collusion or obstruction .So now the Dems are going for a competency "town hall " in July .
https://www.newsweek.com/house-democ...health-1442458
Article 2 section 4 states : The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
So presumably anything said at this "town hall " by the alleged experts would be irrelevant in an impeachment hearing . Their 'hail mary ' pass can be found in the 25th amendment section 4
The meaning of "or of such other body as Congress may by law provide" is beyond me .Quote:
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
The Dems always talk about a constitutional crisis . Using the 25th amendment would cause such a crisis . The bottom line is that the people of the country will decide next year if Trump is suitable to be President .All this impeachment talk and show trials are a distraction to rally their base ;and a distraction from the fact that they are a do-nothing Congress.
Your fear is showing. For someone who denigrates Trump, you have an odd way of showing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The weird yellow-haired draft-dodging puke is now dishonoring the American war dead at Normandy by speaking at the ceremonies. This after almost the entire British nation turned out to show their disdain for the bozo, which he managed to unbelievably call demonstrations of love for him. This is a prima facie case for Article 25.
Then he went to Ireland where he was refused a meeting at his golf course and had to settle for a room at the airport. He suggests Ireland put up a wall on the Northern Ireland border. Thank God for the Irish Prime Minister who told him to shove it.
I believe the way for the future is impeachment. The Senate won't convict (unless a handful of them grow some cujones), but his filthy life of criminal interference and obstruction will be laid out for all to see. That lady who claimed she never knew any of the Trump bad conduct will now know - and others like her. Trumpist-Republican Senators will have lots of explaining to do to their constituents. Time to wake up and shape up, boys.
Yeah, it was almost the entire British nation, or some number considerably less than 1 percent.Quote:
This after almost the entire British nation turned out to show their disdain for the bozo,
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Trump invented that - he calls it hyperbole-truth-speak.
Glad to see you imitating him so well.Quote:
Trump invented that - he calls it hyperbole-truth-speak.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Happy to oblige.
show me the high crime or misdemeanor and I'll join the impeach train . There is zero chance that the Senate will convict and even less than that that he will be removed using the 25th .And I don't believe that Dem leadership will push it that far . Like I said ;this is the Dems attempt to influence the electorate . Any attempt to remove him before his term is up is folly that will blow up in their faces . What they have to hope is that Barr and Durham don't find the smoking gun on the abuses by the emperor's Justice and Intel Depts
Will you settle for obstruction of justice? Bad hair?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Agreed. But one hopes.Quote:
There is zero chance that the Senate will convict and even less than that that he will be removed using the 25th
They may be pressured to do just that.Quote:
.And I don't believe that Dem leadership will push it that far.
You may be right about attempting to influence the electorate. But I disagree that it will blow up in their faces. When the Trump base electorate (mostly unaware of how bad Trump really is) gets a whiff of the reality when impeachment is all over every media in the land 24/7, I think enough of them will lose faith and send Trump home in 2020 where he will face criminal charges.Quote:
Like I said ;this is the Dems attempt to influence the electorate . Any attempt to remove him before his term is up is folly that will blow up in their faces.
Come on, Tom, there's no smoking gun and you know damn well there isn't. This is just wacky right-wing stuff. Besides, Barr should be watching his own arse as they close in on him for his outrageous support of Trump when he's legally required to represent the American people, not the president.Quote:
What they have to hope is that Barr and Durham don't find the smoking gun on the abuses by the emperor's Justice and Intel Depts
It's silly season for sure and everybody is hustling votes, money, and endorsements, including the dufus. Athos is correct in that the dems have a huge dufus fever to break, and repubs are NOT going to buck their leader easily, no matter what the Mueller Report says, but I cannot imagine they don't know how damning it is not just for the dufus, but for them too.
Despite the obstacles though, advantage dems, because all they have to do is their jobs, you know passing their agenda even if it goes nowhere, and getting the facts out on the evening news. The dufus fails, his party goes down with him. I also have no doubt Nancy will make sure it gets shoved up the Dufus's big orange/pink butt.
Interesting summer and fall Tom! Especially if the two Texas senators get their way in the weeks to come.
Wouldn't it have been nice if the Dems would have wiped out (that's what they were going for) all opposition, forever.Quote:
repubs are NOT going to buck their leader easily, no matter what the Mueller Report says,
Trump is it. He isn't going anywhere.
The Dufus, that idiot Trump, is at it again. There are now more available jobs than there are available workers. First time since they started keeping this stat in the year 2000.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/05/ther...X2e7WUff_68mQs
well there you have it, the perfect demonrat excuse to let more migrants in
That made me laugh. Funny but probably accurate observation.Quote:
well there you have it, the perfect demonrat excuse to let more migrants in
Well the dufus is at it again. He threatens Mexico with more tarrifs if the don't do more to stop migrants, they say okay, he claims he forced them into a deal. Well you should know that Mexico has been doing more and training additional guardsmen for its southern border since December. Yeah they already had a deal but something had to be done to get the congress off the front pages.
Barr agrees to turn over documents to the dems as they vote tommorow to step up enforcement of the subpoenaes that have been issued so far and ignored, and give committee chairmen full authority to do what they have to do.
Check out CSpan for todays hearings with former federal prosecutors testimony. ENLIGHTENING!
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Does this make you two laugh also?
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
yes I think you have enough wretched refuse already
I am all in favor of legal immigration. Always have been. I completely agree with President Obama when he stated, "If it is orderly and lawful, immigration is good for our economy."Quote:
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
I am also all in favor of building a wall to stop illegal immigration.
I think your Trump Derangement Syndrome has completely killed off your sense of humor.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
When I first heard Trump Derangement Syndrome, I thought it meant Trump is deranged. Most people who come across it the first time still think that. Talk about backfiring! You people need to rethink your slogans.
I see your own rules about name-calling don't apply to you - just to others who don't agree with you. Interesting.
Is it Trump Derangement Syndrome that explains the hungreds of contacts with Vlad's minions and kept so secret that they lied about them? Is it TDS that explains hios cabal of crooks swindlers and grifters he surrounded himself with during after and even before his campaign who have gone to jail, and going to jail? Is it TDS that lies to the public attacks it's citizens and coddles dictators and protects murderers of our citizens? Is it TDS who welcomed enemies to get dirt on his political opponents to steal the WH from the majority of voters? Is it TDS that allows foreign entities to funnel money to the dufus through his properties without the permission of the congress as the law requires?
I'm with Athos, and must add that maybe the righties like you who voted for and still support the dufus are the ones suffering from TDS, and it has seriously affected your rational thinking. None of you have read the Report, or can grasp what it says, and that includes his elected sycophants who put party above people.
Just asking, would your head explode if HC was president with this great economy, and would you be blasting her as you have for 30 years and moving to impeach her, and lock her up, as we are attempting to do to the dufus? Of course you would, so I suppose you're correct about it's just politics.
Even more interesting than that is the fact that I have not called anyone a name. I said I thought your TDS had robbed you of your humor, but that is not name calling. If I had called you an idiot, sycophant, or dufus, then you would be able to find me guilty. If you want to accuse Trump of name calling, then you would plainly be correct. It's one of several strategies of his that I greatly dislike.Quote:
I see your own rules about name-calling don't apply to you - just to others who don't agree with you. Interesting.
That's a really good question. I'm not sure it's fair to say I have "blasted" her. I think she is corrupt and inept, so maybe that qualifies. I don't think the economy would have prospered with her. Impeach her? For what?Quote:
Just asking, would your head explode if HC was president with this great economy, and would you be blasting her as you have for 30 years and moving to impeach her, and lock her up, as we are attempting to do to the dufus? Of course you would, so I suppose you're correct about it's just politics.
I'm sure I would have opposed her big-government, high tax, pro-abortion policies. I think it's fine to oppose policies, but I think it can be done without name calling and hatred.
You rather have small government that doesn't work very well for main street ordinary Americans, low taxes for rich guys funded by deficit spending, and bullying poor women who have no resources to do what resourced woman can do regardless of anti abortion laws, and shutdown PP whose services are less than 4% of the services they provide to those under resourced people. The other 97% lose their services too? Pretty cruel in my opinion, but yours is not new. guess we see what SCOTUS says(?).
Meanwhile you ignore the elements of the Report, for the spin of him and his sycophants, while he coddles and smoozes the most ruthless of modern leaders. You take holding your nose to dizzying new heights. TDS on your side is markedly dangerous, but I really have no issue if the bottom line is saving babies, misguided and inept as the path to do so is implemented.
Your big government has us 23 tril in debt.Quote:
You rather have small government that doesn't work very well for main street ordinary Americans,
I have dispensed with that silly argument many, many times before. Pay attention. The highest income Americans fund about 2/3 of fed spending. Your contention is completely wrong. The bottom half of income earners pay nearly no income tax. Yep, those low taxes for rich guys are killing us!!Quote:
low taxes for rich guys funded by deficit spending,
You plainly did not pay attention to the videos which came out showing that PP sells the body parts of destroyed fetuses. I dare any of you pro-abortion folks to watch a video of an abortion taking place, and especially showing the extracted body parts of the baby. If you can watch that and still maintain your pro-abortion position, then so be it. I can virtually guarantee you will not do it.Quote:
bullying poor women who have no resources to do what resourced woman can do regardless of anti abortion laws, and shutdown PP whose services are less than 4% of the services they provide to those under resourced people. The other 97% lose their services too?
Argue the Mueller report if you want to. We were discussing the silly issue of the navy ship. As to TDS, let's hear you speak critically of the scandals of the Obama admin. When you start getting honest about those eight years, then you can talk about TDS. It is your OLS (Obama loving syndrome) that I really object to the most.Quote:
Meanwhile you ignore the elements of the Report, for the spin of him and his sycophants, while he coddles and smoozes the most ruthless of modern leaders. You take holding your nose to dizzying new heights.
Wonder where those debts come from? Sure ain't us poor folks that got that 23 trillion...hmm?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No you have a different opinion, and may dismiss mine but the issue has not been dispensed. Low taxes, and loopholes are killing us. Case in point, tax deductions for closing old American plants, and opening new state of the art ones overseas for cheap labor and no benefits. That's killing us.Quote:
I have dispensed with that silly argument many, many times before. Pay attention. The highest income Americans fund about 2/3 of fed spending. Your contention is completely wrong. The bottom half of income earners pay nearly no income tax. Yep, those low taxes for rich guys are killing us!!
Car accident videos are just as gross as are pictures of the lungs of smokers, and war victims. They recycle human remains and cadavers for research and have for centuries, but don't tell me of my pro abortion stance, I am against it, as I have explained but our difference is you throw out needed non abortion services to those in need to stop the small number of abortions as the need for abortions is steadily dropping. That you think it's okay to sacrifice the needs of others for such an agenda says more about your agenda and positions than mine. Maybe that's the best you can do, but forget having any moral superiority or support for your cause as you go about it.Quote:
You plainly did not pay attention to the videos which came out showing that PP sells the body parts of destroyed fetuses. I dare any of you pro-abortion folks to watch a video of an abortion taking place, and especially showing the extracted body parts of the baby. If you can watch that and still maintain your pro-abortion position, then so be it. I can virtually guarantee you will not do it.
Hey, I am MORE honest about them than you have been so save the spin for the politicians. The Mueller Report is the finding of FACTS. You and dufus won't spin your way out of them either.Quote:
Argue the Mueller report if you want to. We were discussing the silly issue of the navy ship. As to TDS, let's hear you speak critically of the scandals of the Obama admin. When you start getting honest about those eight years, then you can talk about TDS. It is your OLS (Obama loving syndrome) that I really object to the most.
That the top 5% of income earners pay 60% of income tax is not my opinion. It is a fact, kind of like the sun rising in the east. That the bottom half of income earners pay nearly nothing is also a fact.Quote:
No you have a different opinion, and may dismiss mine but the issue has not been dispensed.
Yes, and I am against car wrecks, smoking, and war. For the same reason, I am against abortion, but I know you won't watch the videos.Quote:
Car accident videos are just as gross as are pictures of the lungs of smokers, and war victims.
Yes, but they don't kill these people to get their parts and then market them like so much ground beef.Quote:
They recycle human remains and cadavers for research and have for centuries,
Don't tell me how you are against abortion when you vote for people who wholeheartedly support abortion on demand. If you are against it, then take a stand against it.Quote:
but don't tell me of my pro abortion stance, I am against it,
I don't think you are. You NEVER mention Obama's scandals, other than to try and excuse them. When you start admitting that Obama was as much a typical politician as most others are, then you will start to get my attention. In fact, you have that opportunity now. Take a few lines and honestly discuss the scandals of the Obama admin.Quote:
Hey, I am MORE honest about them than you have been so save the spin for the politicians.
That top 5& have 77% of the wealth and 83% of that deficit funded tax cut went to them so don't expect my sympathy and you haven't explained where that 23 TRILLION in debt came from. I understand if you can't and simply are regurgitating right wing talking points.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Sorry, I excuse you for depriving the needy services just to stop abortions. Throwing the baby out with the bath water is not a viable strategy.Quote:
Yes, and I am against car wrecks, smoking, and war. For the same reason, I am against abortion, but I know you won't watch the videos.
Using exaggerated language to make your point is not impressive and deceptive since you obviously don't know the difference, nor do you admit to being more than willing to abandon those precious babies after they are born. Your selective charity doesn't solve the problem either.Quote:
Yes, but they don't kill these people to get their parts and then market them like so much ground beef.
I'm not a one issue warrior, and that abortion on demand meme is a right wing talking point to hide your discrimination of poor women with no resources, since the ones with resources ignore the rantings of your pro-life hypocrisy. I would be more inclined if your concern for the unborn was a commitment after they were born, so until then rant on, see ya at the polls.Quote:
Don't tell me how you are against abortion when you vote for people who wholeheartedly support abortion on demand. If you are against it, then take a stand against it.
No thanks, I'll leave that to Obama/liberals haters like yourself and stick to the CURRENT events before us now. You have been proven to not value FACTS and DATA so what's the point of getting your attention that way when you will deny them anyway? I can get your attention just by blasting your non facts and that's what you can expect from me.Quote:
I don't think you are. You NEVER mention Obama's scandals, other than to try and excuse them. When you start admitting that Obama was as much a typical politician as most others are, then you will start to get my attention. In fact, you have that opportunity now. Take a few lines and honestly discuss the scandals of the Obama admin.
Nothing personal.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Calling someone deranged is NOT name-calling? You keep showing this odd incapacity to know what words mean.
Dial back your hatred and your name-calling, and you'll see an all-around personal improvement.
As I was trying to say, I guess clumsily, your ability to recognize humor is limited. Besides, I think suggesting someone has TDS is not exactly the same as saying they are deranged. But I assure you I was not suggesting you are deranged.Quote:
Calling someone deranged is NOT name-calling? You keep showing this odd incapacity to know what words mean.
Dial back your hatred and your name-calling, and you'll see an all-around personal improvement.
Much of what I post here is said tongue in cheek. I guess it does not come across that way very well.
You mean I shouldn't be crying myself to sleep every night?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I thought you did that because Obama was no longer president?Quote:
You mean I shouldn't be crying myself to sleep every night?
He's not alone.Quote:
You have been proven to not value FACTS and DATA so what's the point of getting your attention that way when you will deny them anyway?
It's a Proven fact, People don't care (listen) about facts.
No your not. You're one hundred percent bias. We watched you cry on national TV, you have been talking impeachment before Trump was elected. Nothing has changed. You Can't think past your hatred and sore loserDom.Quote:
I am MORE honest about them than you have been
How else do you think we are sup[pose to take it, when you continually Cry, CHEAT CHEATER! (before, during and after) all the fricken time? You can't see past your own hatred. Yes, I understand that you are accustom to listening and choosing to believe in the Dems lies, but Trump is King and his lies prevail.
WalterO, pretty accurate assessment. It's what I've said for months. Its the "holier than thou" position that is irritating.
23 tril in debt came from spending 23 tril more than tax revenues. Or in other words, from basic stupidity.Quote:
That top 5& have 77% of the wealth and 83% of that deficit funded tax cut went to them so don't expect my sympathy and you haven't explained where that 23 TRILLION in debt came from.
I'm not dismissing your opinion. I am posting facts. They are different. The top 5% of income earners pay over half the taxes. Simple fact.Quote:
No you have a different opinion, and may dismiss mine but the issue has not been dispensed. Low taxes, and loopholes are killing us. Case in point, tax deductions for closing old American plants, and opening new state of the art ones overseas for cheap labor and no benefits. That's killing us.
They kill these babies and then sell the body parts for profit. They do so without getting permission from those living human beings. If you can't stand the truth, then too bad, but don't refer to that as exaggerated language. It is the truth. You should deal with it.Quote:
Using exaggerated language to make your point is not impressive and deceptive since you obviously don't know the difference, nor do you admit to being more than willing to abandon those precious babies after they are born. Your selective charity doesn't solve the problem either.
Like I said. You are pro-abortion due to your refusing to oppose it. It's easier to post a lot of words than to take a stand. Too bad. You think I have no commitment to children once they are born. Your solution is to get rid of them before they are born. And between the two of us, I'm the one who spent his life working with children of all sorts in school systems. I like my position MUCH better than yours.Quote:
I'm not a one issue warrior, and that abortion on demand meme is a right wing talking point to hide your discrimination of poor women with no resources, since the ones with resources ignore the rantings of your pro-life hypocrisy. I would be more inclined if your concern for the unborn was a commitment after they were born, so until then rant on, see ya at the polls.
Why am I not surprised? If I ever see you say something honestly critical about Obama, I think I'll frame it. Politics. Pure politics.Quote:
No thanks, I'll leave that to Obama/liberals haters like yourself and stick to the CURRENT events before us now.
But Walt, the dufus has been a lying cheating cruel bully all his life. You can't just ignore that FACT!Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
He's a nut, said affectionately. 8DQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Where did it come from was the question. Why have the repubs who have run the congress since 2012, and the WH since 2016 not cut the debt? Or when does the great economy start paying it's bills?Quote:
23 tril in debt came from spending 23 tril more than tax revenues. Or in other words, from basic stupidity.
So the ones with 90% of the wealth only pay a bit better than half the taxes, and you think that's fair and balanced given the size of the debt and having no plan to address it, just add to it?Quote:
I'm not dismissing your opinion. I am posting facts. They are different. The top 5% of income earners pay over half the taxes. Simple fact.
It's the woman and the doctor who make those choices, or should be, and your truth is greatly suspect in terms of accuracy. I apply the same conclusion to those that think like you without the commitment to follow through with all those babies you choose to save. That makes you as deadbeats as the dad's who walk away and fail to take responsibility. You should consider dealing with THAT truth!Quote:
They kill these babies and then sell the body parts for profit. They do so without getting permission from those living human beings. If you can't stand the truth, then too bad, but don't refer to that as exaggerated language. It is the truth. You should deal with it.
Good for you, because your labels and words mean nothing to me except you are entitled to them. No big deal. I respect teachers immensely as the most important members of our society and pillars of the community. I extend that same respect to you and hope you keep up the good work.Quote:
Like I said. You are pro-abortion due to your refusing to oppose it. It's easier to post a lot of words than to take a stand. Too bad. You think I have no commitment to children once they are born. Your solution is to get rid of them before they are born. And between the two of us, I'm the one who spent his life working with children of all sorts in school systems. I like my position MUCH better than yours.
Obama has been gone for nearly 3 years and I live in the NOW and what to do about todays reality. I see your zeal to denigrate the past prez as but a distraction from that reality, so ignore it and keep you focused on the importance of TODAY. That should come as no surprise since that's the way I have rolled since YOU joined the forum. Politics is a good frame of reference, just add TODAY to politics.Quote:
Why am I not surprised? If I ever see you say something honestly critical about Obama, I think I'll frame it. Politics. Pure politics.
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