I listened to her regurgitate the party line but she always votes to confirm SCOTUS nominees. Of course she can't find any new evidence because the fix was in on the investigation. Not surprised no one even raises that on your side. It is fascinating how repubs take the word of the accused, and his troubled drunk buddy who wrote books about what he had done over the accuser, no questions asked.

Well hell by that standard empty the freakin' jails. So much for due diligence. The devils triangle seems to fit the dufus, slick mitch, and grassface rather well. It's not what she said Tom, but what she didn't say. All this Fake sympathy does hide the fact that this was a done deal from the very beginning no matter what. Be honest, there was no search for truth, but a promotion of agenda.

I understand trust, but not failure to verify. You got your well heeled connected frat boy. That was the whole purpose of the exercise and you had the power to do it.

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Yeah. Right. The whole country is just dripping with evidence against BK. Everything known now points to his innocence, but no doubt if the FBI had kept on looking for another year or two, they would have found a hidden yearbook with handwritten notes about flatulence.

No, it's all about destroying a man just to get your way. I don't always agree with Lindsey Graham, but he was right in his statement about the dems. They will do anything in order to gain power. This is just another sick illustration of that fact. The only good thing I can think of is that the corrupt nature of the left is now on full display for the whole country to see. They will do anything and destroy anyone in order to get power. A letter of accusation held in secret for months. A woman whose desire for anonymity is tossed aside by a leaked letter. Delay. Stall. Accuse. Whine. Complain. Good grief. What corrupt attempt is next? The good news is that Mr. Trump is beginning to look downright clean compared to the people you guys support.

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Haven't had your coffee yet but I see your already halfway through the Kool-Aid. I find it fascinating that you say nothing of repubs stall job on Garland but you have proved very proficient at holding your nose and swallowing the trump party line at the same time. KUDOS for multitasking.

Never mind Tal one day you will have a government instead of a circus

You elect a ringmaster, you get a circus Clete. He is good at staging drama, and plenty of clowns. By Monday we may be back to the dufus lying, cheating, and misrepresenting his wealth, and how he got it. Mueller returns after the mid term elections and a purge of dufus enemies may be drawing closer.

Always something to see here so stay tuned.

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How about a return to the 60 vote thresh hold for SCOTUS nominees?

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just an FYI . The vote was always a majority vote .It was the cloture rule to end debate that required a super majority . What you are complaining about is the 'Reid Rule' that ended the super majority for judicial appointees . I think the genie is out of the bottle with that .

"Our Supreme Court confirmation process has been in steady decline for more than 30 years. One can only hope that the Kavanaugh nomination is where the process has finally hit rock bottom."

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just an FYI . The vote was always a majority vote .It was the cloture rule to end debate that required a super majority . What you are complaining about is the 'Reid Rule' that ended the super majority for judicial appointees . I think the genie is out of the bottle with that .

"Our Supreme Court confirmation process has been in steady decline for more than 30 years. One can only hope that the Kavanaugh nomination is where the process has finally hit rock bottom."

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Reid's Rule was for judges true, but specifically not for SCOTUS. THAT change was all Slick Mitch. He owns the current SCOTUS process, happily I might add, lock, stock, and barrel. The coup by the devils triangle is pretty locked in and they have their partisan hack frat boy on the court. We will see though if the court is as political as our elected officials, or if indeed we go back to 1950.

Remember how that pendulum always swings back? Well this is but it being on conservatives side for now but with Kavanaugh done, we both know the headlines will change don't we? Me trying to get my head around this new rebranded copy/paste trade deal coming soon to a vote near you. ;D

Curious still is the funding for commercials for SCOTUS nominees.

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It is fascinating how repubs take the word of the accused, and his troubled drunk buddy who wrote books about what he had done over the accuser, no questions asked.

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Funny you say that, since you are the one just taking someone's word for something and not bothering to look at the evidence, no questions asked. Yep. That's you doing that.

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I find it fascinating that you say nothing of repubs stall job on Garland but you have proved very proficient at holding your nose and swallowing the trump party line at the same time. KUDOS for multitasking.

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Actually I did mention Garland earlier. You didn't bother to read it. I pointed out that there is a huge difference between refusing to consider a nominee versus destroying a man's reputation.

Seems Christians don't mind destroying a mans reputation either.

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The National Council of Churches (NCC) calls for the withdrawal of the nomination of Judge Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court of the United States. We believe he has disqualified himself from this lifetime appointment and must step aside immediately. We note several reasons. During his appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Judge Kavanaugh exhibited extreme partisan bias and disrespect towards certain members of the committee and thereby demonstrated that he possesses neither the temperament nor the character essential for a member of the highest court in our nation. We are deeply disturbed by the multiple allegations of sexual assault and call for a full and unhindered investigation of these accusations.In addition, his testimony before the Judiciary Committee included several misstatements and some outright falsehoods. All citizens must be expected to speak truthfully when under oath, however, this is especially true for anyone who seeks a seat on the Supreme Court.Moreover, Judge Kavanaugh’s extensive judicial and political record is troubling with regard to issues of voting rights, racial and gender justice, health care, the rights of people with disabilities, and environmental protections. This leads us to believe that he cannot be an impartial justice in cases that are sure to come before him at the Court.

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The National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA, usually identified as the National Council of Churches (NCC), is the largest ecumenical body in the United States.^[1] NCC is an ecumenical partnership of 38 Christian faith groups in the United States. Its member communions include Mainline Protestant, Orthodox, African American, Evangelical, Josephite and historic peace churches. Together, they encompass more than 100,000 local congregations and 40 million adherents.^[2] It began as the Federal Council of Churches in 1908, and expanded through merger with several other ecumenical organizations to become the National Council of Churches in 1950.^[3]

Appealing to the NCC is pretty weak. They try to appeal to everything currently popular. They host as speakers those who are living lifestyles plainly against Scripture.

You still have the problem of convicting a person on the basis of no evidence. I know that bothers you not at all, but it bothers people who still cling to the concept of justice.

ummm that Garland thingy . It's called the Biden rule .

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and so does many Republicans .They don't vote in a block like the Dems to a point where one aisle crosser is being eviciratated today . I thought you guys liked it when a Senator shows independence and crosses the aisle to vote against the party line .Guess not .

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Never mind Tal one day you will have a government instead of a circus

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The ring master is Shmuck Shumer . Here is what Sen Collins said yesterday to the DEMOCRAT who leaked the letter to the nation :

"To that leaker, who I hope is listening now, let me say that what you did is unconscionable. You have taken a survivor, who is not only entitled to your respect, but who also trusted you, and you have sacrificed her well-being in a misguided attempt to win whatever political crusade you think you’re fighting. My only hope is that your callous act has turned this process into such a dysfunctional circus that it will cause the Senate and, indeed, all Americans to reconsider how we evaluate Supreme Court nominees. If that happens, then the appalling lack of compassion you afforded Professor Ford will have some unintended positive consequences."

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Appealing to the NCC is pretty weak. They try to appeal to everything currently popular. They host as speakers those who are living lifestyles plainly against Scripture.

You still have the problem of convicting a person on the basis of no evidence. I know that bothers you not at all, but it bothers people who still cling to the concept of justice.

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The biggest Christian organization in the country is a FAKE? You are not a part of mainstream Christianity? I don't recall appealing to anyone, but I do link the news stories I come across. If you cannot recognize that difference it's no wonder you cannot tell the difference between a job interview, and a court case.

You just attack anyone who disagrees with YOU! That's cool with me. Your boy gets his job but the court of public opinion goes against him, and it may well not be over, but now I understand better why you are so good at holding your nose. Need a link to the letter yale law School students wrote?

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ummm that Garland thingy . It's called the Biden rule .

and so does many Republicans .They don't vote in a block like the Dems to a point where one aisle crosser is being eviciratated today . I thought you guys liked it when a Senator shows independence and crosses the aisle to vote against the party line .Guess not .

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Refresh my memory, who was that nominee that Biden blocked?

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There was no Supreme Court vacancy to fill.There was no nominee to consider.The Senate never took a vote to adopt a rule to delay consideration of a nominee until after the election.

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No we are talking about the McConnell doctrine here. Whose eviscerating Manchin?

Who cares why Collins is voting yes? Dems have no way to stop anything the repubs wanted to do, so why are you jumping on Schumer?

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Yeah well them blue dogs never last that long. There's always blowback for upsetting the party. It will get lost through the BK victory laps until the next news cycle at least.

Repubics still have Collins and others . You guys have almost completely purged moderates . Even Madam Mim faces challenges from the radical progressives .Here is NY the Dems purges the 2nd in command in the Dem caucus for a committed socialist (even though she has a weak understanding of what being a socialist is ).

It is a done deal . Don't lose any sleep . He will be a fine Associate Justice .

He better be! The notorious RBG will kick his a$$ in the cloak room.

and just think of all the fun you'll have opposing Trump's appointment to replace Kavanaugh on the DC circus .

“We are elected as politicians and we do at times attack each other from a partisan perspective,I don’t think a sitting judge should have come at us with quite that tone.” Chris Coons
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"I can't imagine what the country would be with Donald Trump...[It's]time for us to move to New Zealand...[Trump is a] faker...He says whatever comes into his head at the moment. He really has an ego."
--Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 7/14/16

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/11/u...ollection&_r=1

https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/12/polit...d-trump-faker/

I have to give the repubs credit for hanging tough on this one. They usually tuck their tails between their legs and run for the hills, but they stayed united and did the right thing. Now I admit that it's bad having a SC justice that actually made a reference to flatulence in his HS yearbook, as the dems pointed out in their brilliant examination of him, but maybe we can make the best of it.

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“We are elected as politicians and we do at times attack each other from a partisan perspective,I don’t think a sitting judge should have come at us with quite that tone.” Chris Coons
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"I can't imagine what the country would be with Donald Trump...[It's]time for us to move to New Zealand...[Trump is a] faker...He says whatever comes into his head at the moment. He really has an ego."
--Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 7/14/16

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/11/u...ollection&_r=1

https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/12/polit...d-trump-faker/

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Please don't inflict this on Kiwi, they have enough weird politics already an in any case isn't it time for the borking to be over

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I've been before judges. Never, absolutely NEVER, did I think my case rested on his politics. Those days are over. The one institution that was DEVOID of politics, is now damaged goods..

Kavanaugh is IN.. Let's talk about what's next.

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I've been before judges. Never, absolutely NEVER, did I think my case rested on his politics.

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I would think that anyone paying attention to SCOTUS the past fifty years knows that politics has entered heavily into their decision making.

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The never ending stream of hate speech directed at Judge Kavanaugh is really stunning. If we ask, "What is he guilty of?" there is no answer other than he is guilty of being a conservative.

Oh Lighten up! As much as I mistrust him I don't hate him or the dufus. That doesn't mean I cannot express my opinion about their character or performance.

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Yet another example of liberal "tolerance". "Stephen Colbert 'Late Show' writer: 'I'm just glad we ruined Brett Kavanaugh's life'

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...avanaughs-life

Especially if I think it's true!

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Thankfully, we do not find a person guilty on the basis of what you or anyone else "thinks" is true.

And we don't dismiss a serious allegation without a real investigation. Oh you called that a real honest investigation? Not even close. More will be revealed later.

Tal, time to move on, Kavanaugh has been investigated up the wahzoo, don't you think that if there was any real evidence it would have been uncovered. It is a she says, he says situation, often in such cases evidence is lacking, but remember the Biblical standard is two or three "witnesses" so why should he be subject to anything less

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And we don't dismiss a serious allegation without a real investigation. Oh you called that a real honest investigation? Not even close. More will be revealed later.

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There is no evidence whatsoever to indicate any guilt on the part of BK. This never ending call for a never ending investigation begins to wear thin after a time. To call for more investigation, you would think you would have something more to go on than flatulence in a yearbook. The lady's story doesn't have support. Time to just accept it and move on.

You held your nose and got what you want, so be happy, but don't tell the rest of us what to do about it. FAIR?

In the meantime, Mr. Trump has managed to get the lowest unemployment rate in nearly fifty years. "The unemployment rate fell two-tenths of a percentage point to 3.7 percent, the lowest since December 1969 and one-tenth of a percentage point below expectations." I think we should all wake up every morning and be thankful Hillary Clinton is NOT the president of the United States. So yes, I'm happy about that as well as getting a solid conservative (I hope) on the Supreme Court. I think you will be happy to know that I'm actually only holding about half of my nose now. He is 2 for 3 on my wish list. He's appointed constitutionalists on the Supreme court and seen a upsurge in the economy.

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There is no evidence whatsoever to indicate any guilt on the part of BK. This never ending call for a never ending investigation begins to wear thin after a time. To call for more investigation, you would think you would have something more to go on than flatulence in a yearbook. The lady's story doesn't have support. Time to just accept it and move on.

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That's not what Tal said. You don't need evidence to investigate. You need suspicion. And he didn't call for a "never-ending" investigation - those are your words. WH counsel McGhan restricted the FBI so that its investigation came to nothing. It's more than the "lady's story" - MUCH more which has been reported all over the world in every possible media. Apparently, you missed it.

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In the meantime, Mr. Trump has managed to get the lowest unemployment rate in nearly fifty years. We should all wake up every morning and be thankful Hillary Clinton is NOT the president of the United States.[Trump] is 2 for 3 on my wish list. He's appointed constitutionalists on the Supreme court and seen a upsurge in the economy.

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Trump has little or nothing to do with the economy. He is deregulating like a madman without the slightest concern for the American citizen - it's all about corporate profits. The stock market, built on greed, reflects that lack of concern with health or clean water or pick your poison.

He's clueless about trade and tariffs. His chief adviser in this area, Gary Cohn, walked out on him when he realized Trump was abysmally ignorant about tariffs.

After the financial crash during the Republican Bush administraton, Obama did everything possible to save the economy while your Republicans opposed him at every juncture. Obama's strategy worked. Trump now claims the Obama success is his.

As usual, you can't let a moment go by without trashing Hillary Clinton who has been out of the picture for almost two years now but you people simply can't let go of your obsession with her.

Your Kavanaugh "constitutionalist" is a right-wing fanatic to thousands of legal professionals country-wide including a previous SC Justice and 2400 law professors. If there was any doubt, one has only to watch his meltdown at the Senate hearing before God and everybody, and for which he tried to walk back the next day with an op-ed in the WSJ.

As a self-proclaimed Christian and follower of Christ, you should know better than to be supporting the likes of Trump and his cohorts - the most mean-spirited bunch ever to surround a president.

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That's not what Tal said. You don't need evidence to investigate. You need suspicion. And he didn't call for a "never-ending" investigation - those are your words. WH counsel McGhan restricted the FBI so that its investigation came to nothing. It's more than the "lady's story" - MUCH more which has been reported all over the world in every possible media. Apparently, you missed it.

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1. I didn't suggest that Tal said that.
2. The dems called for an FBI investigation. They got one. Now they are still complaining. Truthfully, they just don't want to accept that there is nothing to be found.
3. Much more has been reported? OK. What was it? What has been reported that directly bears on the alleged incident at a party? I don't mean flatulence and a silly debate about drinking to excess versus staggering around.
4. Make sure you mention the statements from dozens of professional women who worked with Kavanaugh and dozens of other former classmates who state that they found him to be an honorable man. Also be sure to mention the two women he dated in college who both said he always behaved honorably towards them. I just mention that in case you managed to ignore that avalanche of evidence. Also be sure to mention the denials by the three witnesses named by Dr. Ford who contradicted her version of the story. I know you'll want to mention all of that since you surely did not miss any of it.

As to your remarks about Mr. Trump, I will only restate the obvious. We have the lowest unemployment in 50 years. If he is clueless, then we need a lot more clueless people.

You completely misrepresent the views of the 2400 law professors who said nothing about him being "a right wing fanatic". Their opposition centered around judicial temperament, not political views. I thought his response to the Senate and the outlandish, irresponsible actions of the dems was warranted. Any man subjected to the vicious attacks he was subjected to really should be prepared to honestly and aggressively defend himself.

As a Christian, I find a number of areas with Mr. Trump with which I disagree. I have not set him up on a pedestal and practically worshiped him as so many liberals did, and continue to do, with Mr. Obama. I do appreciate, however, the places where he has performed well. For a peacetime economy to be performing this well is really extraordinary.

Above all else I abhor the hypocrisy of democrats who have a fit about the tiny slivers of evidence with Kavanaugh, and yet completely ignore people like Cory Booker, Bill Clinton, and Keith Ellison, all of whom have a their own sets of female accusers and very credible evidence to point towards their guilt. You want to show everyone you sincerely support the many women who have been abused? Then clean up your own house and stop pretending to be something that you are not.

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Look.. You can't find corroboration if you don't LOOK for corroboration.. Trump rigged, I mean limited the investigation to 10 people.. If you wanna FIND out stuff, that's NOT how you conduct an investigation.. But, if you're AFRAID of what you might find, you LIMIT it..

Can Ford SUE Kavanaugh?? I think she can. Certainly, if she does, her attorneys won't be shackled by Trump, and she might find all sorts of corroboration..

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"We haven't found any evidence, and we have no real reason to believe we will find any evidence, but we really want to find evidence, so we'll just continue to look forever until we find some. After all, the man did talk about flatulence, and he drank beer in high school, so it just naturally follows that he is a sex predator. And the fact that we hate Mr. Trump and want a liberal SCOTUS of course have nothing to do with our views."

As to Dr. Ford suing, good luck with that one. She would need something the senate dems seemed to forget about, a pesky little something called "evidence". She has none, and nor does she have a really believable story. I hope the lady is able to get some relief from whatever seems to be disturbing her, but I don't think Kavanaugh did anything to her and there is certainly no evidence to lead a person to believe that.