Well Clete you certainly have the right to dig in the dirt, and sell that dirt to anyone who wants to burn that dirt, and poison their air to light their houses. Have at it while the rest of us explore and develop better ideas than that. And good luck to getting rich people not to buy and build their beachfront property, or luxury hotel chains to relocate their resorts to the middle of the continent.

I don't think your politicians give a crap about what the rich guy is saying. And good luck to all those Asians who can't come to your country, but want your dirt.

The UN IPCC is now backing down from their fear mongering and saying that it's unlikely there'll be any dangerous warming in this century.

That being said ;look at the innovation between 1914 and 2000 .... Do you think there will be any less in the next century ?

Or the next decades Tom.

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I think the concern is whether there will be a next century. Look I know what we are doing is unsustainable but so are our current responses, solar and wind are not viable alternatives and they are just as polluting in the production phases, it is a zero sum net gain, but why should we beggar ourselves while the rest of the world plays games. We are already reducing our CO2 way beyond targets but it won't make any difference. We actually have bigger fish to fry and we are ignoring it, the soaring population is the real problem, not a degree in temperature

I figure the more we play with making new energy sources workable, the better we get at it. We do nothing, then we are stuck on fossil fuel. Why be stuck?

Crawl back in your cave if you are't up to the challenge of evolving and getting better. I'm surprised you bother with shoes with that kind of pessimism.

I only wear shoes half the day tal in those times I don't want anything squishy between my toes. I don't live in a cave, not enough caves to go around which is the point, isn't it? you see that getting all over emotive and making stupid comments does nothing to address the real problem, back when I was born, when the Earth had a population of three billion, we were a long way from this climate problem, wasn't a concern, but the emissions exist because of population. it is rediculous to be providing a solution which costs up to four times as much with no sum gain. It is a pipe dream to think that all of humanity is going to have its energy supplied by alternative energy. I heard the other day fusion is back on the agenda, what a crock, inventing something like that to solve a simple problem. It could all be solved in a century with population control

The future humanity faces is not one of overpopulation, but of depopulation. Human population will peak by 2050 ;if not before . The population of the world will begin to plummet in a little over four decades. Between 2040 and 2050, the world’s population will decrease by about 85 million. World population will decrease by roughly 25 percent each successive generation after .

really tom what makes you think that, a few million every generation? there is no plan, and if you think this is the result of poor food supply, war will escalate any numbers. There could be a pandemic these have reduced population from 25 to 50% in a short time, ebola is out of control in Africa right now and your own idiots are experiementing with live anthrax. Anyway we don't have a hundred years or a millenium. 25% a generation, so extinction in thirty generations by your theory. Do the math.

I'd back the abo their technology allowed them to survive isolated for forty thousand years so we win afterall

And your solution for population control would be what?

Start with segregation and enforced birth control until 25 years of age and a limit on procreation say no more than two children. It puts the abortion industry out of business and introduces some sense into the process but more would be needed, we need a complete change in the moral fabric of the society

Clete I'm suprised you still believe in the Ehrlich Malthusian lie.

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World populations to stop growing in 2050? - Economic Times

But how would you enforce your new moral restrictions?

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Is this what you preach on your christian radio station?
Scary stuff.

No karma I was asked for a personal opinion but I certainly would preach that we need a complete change in the moral fabric of our society if we are going to solve our problems. heddonism is the problem which leds to unwanted pregnancies, etc, etc, etc. at least I'm prepared to say so

I think it's more the lack of caring parenting. Parents now are chasing the appearance of wealth as the main goal of life, kids be damned.

Here we go with this MORALS thing which of course means YOUR morals you want everyone to fall in line with and the deviants are condemned to hell. Good Luck with that.

I see the problem as a logistical one, and the problem of hoarding resources is the root cause of the problem.

when all is said and done ,the human race will regret it's genocidal infanticide .

I think we will regret making abortions obsolete with science instead of religious zealotry, the same dynamic that drives wars and conflicts. Both a waste of human resource.

Tom have you read that article 15.8 billion as a high estimate, no doubt brought to us by the same brilliant minds who brought us AGW modelling

Tal there is a lot of waste of human resource, I suggest you mobilise the waste of human resource you have all around you as a start, it might lead to less abortions

Science and education lead to less abortions, so educate yourself. Or ask the educated females. LOL, Clete, you probably waste as much of your human resources around you as you say we do so what's your problem?

Never mind, you obviously think with your hate and prejudice, and identify paradise and morality with the smell of your own farts. Must be nice to ignore your own stink, and criticize everyone else's. Typical of fundamentalists everywhere.

Tal I ignore nothing each of us must start reform in their own backyard, not be reactionary when it is suggested that is what we should do. You think education and feminism stops abortions, you should let your head see daylight once in while. As to being a fundamentalist, yes I have some views that are only reinforced by what I see in society, particularly "western" society typified by the views of some

I said education and science. Where did feminism come from? Fundamentalist are a closed minded lot that only see what reinforces what they believe.

That is a world view that doesn't allow for any view but your own, you see there are many closed minded people in this world. fundamentalists see the world with a particular world view, that it has moved far from a desirable path,

It's widely regarded as a weed. But the tiny fern Azolla once saved the planet from runaway climate change. Can it do it again? | News.com.au

So there you have it, we don't need those renewables afterall, we can take our time developing them and we don't need stupid market mechanisms that increase the costs either. I know this won't please those who see a tax as a solution to everything and it won't please those who think the market is the answer to everything. but it will be a win for the rest of us sufferring humanity. We can go back to using coal and oil and life can return to normal. Think of the jobs being saved and employment will jump in azolla plantations

This stuff has so many uses, I wonder if it can be converted to fuel

Kudos to the Aussies .

Australia Repeals Carbon Tax Under Tony Abbott In Smart Policy Move - Investors.com

yes indeed we have removed a socialist initiative, one that cost the ordinary person dearly, but we are far from dismantelling their objective

Tomder quote.

'Kudos to the Aussies".

Yes, strange how we manage to get things done.

Less even though we have our own brand of B/S we are reasonable people

because we have envirowacko extremists in control of most of the government ;including the unelected 4th branch ;the massive bureaucracy .

and I understand your obscession with firearms, but I still think they need to be controlled. I watch an interesting doco tracing Alexander's footsteps and it revealed the consequence of climate change on a massive scale, proving, in my opinion, that what we are seeing is a long term trend, not some five minute abberation

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As opposed to the open-mindedness of libs?? Bwahahahaha!!!

Arrest Climate-Change Deniers

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A little bit of media rhetoric there speech, I expect that when you look at what was actually said it wasn't as strong. I'm not a climate change denier, I recognise it is happening, I'm just not signed on to the single cause/solution debate. Evidence I see from a number of sources point not only to man made impacts but to something much more long term and beyond our control

I suppose Dinosaurs were responsible for the much higher tempratures when they were around, farting breathing all that air. Apparently driving around in Fred Flintstonemobiles.

Undoubtedly there might of been more carbon dioxide at that time due to volcanic activity and other explanations we were not there to observe, but to suggest that the dinosaurs had any impact on their climate is a adle brained as suggesting we have the ability to reverse what is happening at the moment. What seems to have escaped attention is that in between the time of the dinosaur and now there has been an ice age or ice ages on planet Earth and we are now post ice age and have been only for a very short time, The Earth continues to warm up getting back to a norm we have no real idea about, this is what we are observing and concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere are part of that.

Undoubtedly populations who have taken over territory made available by the big freeze are greatly aggrieved at the thought that they might have to move again but nothing is forever as even the city of Las Vegas is about to find out, and no amount of hand wringing and emotive wailing is going to change anything

Exactly... actually there is ample proof the last few hundred years has been an unusual WET period for the south west and its just returning to normal

The ruins from the Anasazi indians proves it...as well as some very old trees in the region.

Yes there are shifting climate patterns on your continent as the events leading to the Dust Bowl of the thirties tesitfy too. It seems there were a number of populations who inexplicably suffered decline, not only there, but in other parts of the world, things were much hotter and wetter in the time of the greeks and vast areas of Asia are now desert which were once flourishing but we have this silly idea that what we have is utopia and must be preserved at all costs. We have forgotten that vast populations moved west for a reason which could generally be described as climate change but those populations have now reached the pacific and have nowhere to go

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Um, calling for the arrest and punishment of skeptics, threatening to burn down their homes, accusing them of "crimes against humanity"? Sounds pretty strong to me.

Nothing but cheap talk.

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Shoe on the other foot...

it's just rabble rousing, the lot of it and with this subject there is no shortage of rabble