Trying to worm your way out of that "middle ground" thing now, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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Trying to worm your way out of that "middle ground" thing now, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Civil union rights ≠ rights given in marriage
No, but opinions and reality are two different things because a gay person being married really means nothing to me, so my level of outrage and alarm doesn't rise to having to do anything at all. Nor is it disturbing in any way.Quote:
Trying to worm your way out of that "middle ground" thing now, eh?
But I have the advantage of seeing this public outcry for what's fair, and what's not played out before and the courts are always where such disagreement play out. Why is this any different?
I mean the world won't come to an end if two gay people file a tax return jointly, and why should I care if they do? Why should I care what they call it? The court is the one to determine if the middle ground is the fair ground, whether you or I agree or not? Can we agree on that at least?
Fairness means we have to give in
Give in to what? You can marry who you want and call it what you want. Can't you?
I see no reason why a civil union could not confer the same rights, but that wasn't the issue. The issue was being told I have no "middle ground" which is entirely untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The point seems to have flown right over your head, you said we wouldn't compromise and we have so you're moving the goalpost and refusing to admit it isn't us with no "middle ground," it's you.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I have moved nothing. And I never agreed to any compromise before on this issue because I'm not gay. All I do is stated my opinions through out the debate on here and all the current events threads. Obviously in real life gay people have pressed on.
I stand by the opinion that the court is the only binding agreement there is subject to any appeal.
Hello:
Maybe our resident right wingers offered gay people equal stuff, their fellow Republican legislators didn't follow their lead... Not ONCE did Republicans offer something that equated to marriage, but wasn't. If they had, maybe gay people wouldn't have gone for the full ball of wax.. But, they didn't and gay people are. That's the way it is here.
excon
Not really. Suppose I found another woman besides my current wife that I loved also just as deeply. Would I be allowed to sanction that relationship by marrying that woman as well as keep my current wife?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Answer: Nope.
Polygamy is against the law. So I can't marry who I want nor can I call it what I want.
You made this very distinct charge: "You have no middle ground that opens up reasonable dialog. There is no meet you in the middle."Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Tom and I both reminded you that we are waiting in the middle and ever since you've steadfastly refused to meet us there. Don't ever accuse us of no middle ground if you aren't willing to show up.
Okay does your middle ground include the benefits of taxes that married couples have?
So you are willing to expand civil union rights to be the same as marriage rights?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Did I stutter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
No, but you are sidestepping.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
After this exchange with Tal today you think I'm the one sidestepping? LOL. Stay tuned...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
So you won't answer my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
From a 2008 post:Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
That would especially include tax benefits, health care, and property, etc. Nearly 5 years later you guys are still feeding us the same, tired old crap and accusing us of having no "middle ground."Quote:
As tom said earlier and which I've agreed with is why can't we "reach an equitable compromise?" Granting civil unions with all the associated rights and benefits to me should be an equitable compromise. Marriage is more than "historical aspects" just as Christmas and Easter are more than traditions.
What is it about "stay tuned" you don't understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Why didn't the Republican legislators see the light?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Is it the Texas heat that makes you this way?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
What way is that? Sarcastic? It's a Texas trait and it has nothing to do with heat, it's generally given in doses proportionate to the bullsh*t flung our way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I took your "Stay tuned" as another put-down to me. You could have said, "Stay tuned...I'll do some checking on that."Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I believe you're smarter than that, you know what stay tuned means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Of course... they just can't call it marriage because it isn't marriage.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
If the only sticking point is what they call it, why can't they file a joint tax return? Or get any other benefits of their union? Maybe that is what's fueling this whole issue, lack of progress on any front by the congress.
Got no problem with any of that .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And recognized by all states?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I must've written this 25 times already...
Article IV Section 1.
Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.
While you are in such a good mood can I have Adam Lind and Buster Posey for a week? :DQuote:
got no problem with any of that .
Maybe I should throw in Jean Segura too ?
Maybe you shouldn't
I'll answer for him. No.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I wonder what comes next? Perhaps some parents are going to have to explain to their dughters why they are suppose to shower with them in the same room.
Transgender first-grader wins civil rights suit after girls
I mentioned a public school directive in Massachusetts back in March so this is no surprise. Anybody can be anything they want to be now in spite of the distress it may cause others or the negative consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
What do you recommend?
Do you want anatomical males showering with your 13-year-old daughter?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
If they have been mistakenly assigned as males at birth and are medically determined to be females, it's okay with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I find that disturbing but not surprising, and I'm betting the majority of young girls and their parents would agree with me on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Why disturbing? She's a girl and has no interest in anyone's daughter. If anything, the administration would allow an intact transgender male to shower privately before or after the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Why are they showering in the first place? Do kids still shower after gym class? I thought that is passe'.
Eyes bulge at the mere mention of showering around other students, which was common — mandatory, even — in middle schools and high schools across the country just a decade or two ago.
"I wouldn't do it," said 16-year-old Adrian Alequin, a junior at Winter Park High School. "It's way too weird. I don't want to see another guy like that."
Today, students generally have the option of stripping down to wash off the sweat and grime after workouts in the hot Florida sun. Most of the time, though, they don't.
Even after hours of sports practice and rigorous competitions, many kids wait to bathe at home.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...s-competitions
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