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More good news, cities and possibly states are going to be ditching retiree health coverage and dumping them on the Obamacare exchanges.
Troubled Cities See Exchanges as Way to Unload Retirees - Bloomberg
Good thing it's going on the honor system for those who make too much for a subsidy but can't afford coverage.
A Houston doctor with 5,000 patients is going to close shop. Here he explains why .
Houston Area Doctor's Office Closing Its Doors on Account of the ACA - YouTube
He's not the only one who will be going Gault in the near future.
Hello again, righty's:
Anytime you want to suggest how to fix it, instead of just b1tching, I'll be here.
excon
Been there, done that but this is what we have and your guys are in charge, going full steam ahead to disaster. I don't want to be on that train but you're intent on taking me down with you so you're damn right I'm going to b!tch about it since you won't do anything about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
you won't do anything about it.
Been there, done that. From the git go, my health plan has been Medicare for all. That'll take a page of law. I never did like the bones he threw your way, only to have you reject them. But, make no mistake, it's the BONES that are getting stuck in our craw..
Excon
Yep, and that's where they want to take us but I don't like ANY plan that has the federal government in charge. They do such a swell job with everything, why wouldn't I love their health care?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
The TParty distrust of government is duly noted. I don't trust 'em either. I don't trust the guys that holler and throw rocks much either. Not you personally, mind you a we are both honest law abiding Texans with different opinions and we both agree(?) somebody has got to do something> Medicare for all I my idea, what your beside agreeing with a doctor with 5000patient and he can't make a buck?
He may be a great doctor, but a lousy businessman.
Let's see what 'bones ' have been delayed or eliminated .
1. the 1099 tax form provision... was that our idea ? Nah
2. the Community Living Assistance Services and Supports Act(CLASS) . This classless act was so bad that Sebelius lobbied for it's elimination.. . was that our idea ? Nah
3.Small Business Health Option Program (SHOP). This one was designed to give choice to small business employees . There was probably some conservative input into this but the Obots screwed it up so badly that the whole program was postponed ,and will probably never see the light of day. So small business employees will in fact have NO options... that is the ones lucky enough to not be consigned to part-time status.. and forced to join the exchanges... of which most states are not close to completing .
4.Instead now with the 4th disaster that is OBamacare... those workers will be subject to the individual mandate ,and will be forced to either sign up for very expensive private insurance ;join the non-existent exchanges ;or pay the penalty (oops I mean tax) .
No this plan is not single payer... instead ,it was designed to fail so that the American people would consider single payer the only alternative.
Do you want him to be a businessman or a doctor? I'd say a 40 year practice was fairly successful, but you'll note he didn't start going under until after Obamacare passed. He isn't the exception as we've shown many times. A whole lot of doctors suddenly not being able to afford to stay in business is no coincidence and they all didn't suddenly turn into lousy businessmen.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You also missed the part where he wanted no part of a system where bureaucrats and politicians that have no idea what's best for his patients are running the show. I could only hope every doctor in America had such scruples.
Now let's think about it . He is forced to run his practice like an accountant with a regulatory compliance staff mostly to accurately handle Medicare /Medicaid billing. Meanwhile the Obots have been squeezing docs who take Medicare patients paying less for their services. But you think it is a good idea that the nation go 100% Medicare ? The smart doctors refuse to accept Medicare patients already .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Your doctor's political opinion aside doesn't want to upgrade, or modernize, nor want a cap on what he gets paid. But old people on Medicare love it, even the TParty old people. Did you notice he is a gynecologist? It ain't Obamacare coming between him and his patient.
Funny about how the argument the last few years has been how important it was to get this in place NOW otherwise millions would die if its delayed...
Now its delayed for at least a year... those millions that were claimed would be dying aren't so important.
When did gynecologists only become relevant to younger women? And you think you know women and their needs...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yeah he's a greedy bass turd... Doesn't matter that he hasn't paid himself in over 3 years trying to keep his practice going.. But he's greedy... He would've saved money (from his personal savings ) by closing down shop 3 years ago... firing his staff ,and leaving his patients to fend for themselves . But he's greedy for trying to make it work for 3 years while he took no pay.Quote:
Your doctor's political opinion aside doesn't want to upgrade, or modernize, nor want a cap on what he gets paid.
The nerve of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
What is he spending his saving on if its not reinvesting in upgrades, technology, and staff training? My point about his area of practice is to show he fits your negative narrative without a deeper look into the facts. The bureaucrats he speaks of are state, local, and county officials.
And if he was the exception you may have a point . But his decision is a decision that many doctors are making or will be making soon. But that fits into the left plan too. Doctors should not have a private for profit practice. Instead they should be employees of the nanny-state who's wages are strictly controlled .
Unless they're abortionists.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again,
They might even be from the Vaginal Probe Board who's job it is, is to SEE to it, that this doctor stick something wayyyy up inside a woman whether she needs it or not.Quote:
The bureaucrats he speaks of are state, local, and county officials.
Maybe they'll be from the APB, Abortion Prevention Bureau... They're the bureaucrats who are going to see to it that EVERY pregnancy ends in a birth. They might even station cops IN his practice.. I'm SURE they'll install a wireless uterine monitoring device that reports DIRECTLY to them.
Excon
I guess you didn't know that private not for profit hospital have been forcing doctors to steer patient to them and are making the doctor accept a salary for admitting privileges. It's the hospitals and insurance companies making doctors charge you extra fees for non health related expenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Lookup the Time magazine article by Steven Brill. It an eye opener. Hospital have been buying private clinic for YEARS.
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Originally Posted by excon
Yeah, we're trying to become as barbaric as most of Europe (edited for space)
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AUSTRIA
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: First three months - in practice often before 12 weeks
Conditions: Must have medical consultation. May be performed after 12 weeks if necessary to avoid serious danger to the woman's physical or mental health; if the child is at risk of being born with a serious physical or mental defect; or if the woman is under 14 years of age.
BELGIUM
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
Conditions: Woman must say she is in a "state of distress". Abortions allowed at any stage later in pregnancy if two physicians agree there is a serious risk to the health of the mother or that the child has an "extremely serious and incurable disease".
BULGARIA
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
Conditions: Between 12 and 20 weeks, abortion is permitted only if the woman is suffering from a proven, documented case of a disease that could endanger the life of mother or child. After 20 weeks, abortion is permitted only if the woman's life is in danger or evidence is found of severe foetal impairment.
CYPRUS
Availability: Under certain conditions
Gestational limit: 28 weeks
CZECH REPUBLIC
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
DENMARK
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
Conditions: After 12 weeks, if the pregnancy does not pose a risk to the woman's life or of serious deterioration to her physical or mental health, the abortion must be approved by a committee of four people.
The procedure must be performed by a physician in a state or communal hospital or in a clinic attached to a hospital. No cost, part of the public health system.
Abortion for non-residents is not allowed unless they have some special relationship with Denmark.
FAROE ISLANDS:
Availability: Under certain conditions
Gestational limit: 16 weeks
ESTONIA
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
FINLAND
Availability: Under certain conditions
Gestational limit: 24 weeks
FRANCE
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
Conditions: The woman must claim to be in a "state of distress" because of her pregnancy. After 12 weeks, abortions are allowed only if the pregnancy poses a grave danger to the woman's health or there is a risk the child will suffer from a severe illness recognised as incurable. If this is the case, two doctors must confirm the risk to the health of the woman or foetus.
A pregnant girl under the age of 16 may ask for an abortion without consulting her parents first. But she has to be accompanied by an adult of her choice.
Conscientious objection allows professionals to decline involvement in procedures, but they must inform the patient without delay.
GERMANY
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
Conditions: The woman must receive proper counselling three days before the procedure. The state-regulated counselling is required to inform the woman that the unborn have a right to life and to try to convince her to continue her pregnancy.
GREECE
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
HUNGARY
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
IRELAND
Availability: Strict conditions
Gestational limit: No set limit
Conditions: Only allowed if woman's life is at risk (including the risk of suicide).
ITALY
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
Conditions: A one-week reflection period is imposed unless the situation is one of urgency. A certificate confirming the pregnancy and the request for termination must be issued by a doctor and signed by the woman and the doctor.
Parental authorisation is required if the woman is under 18. After 12 weeks, abortion is allowed only if the foetus has a genetic deficiency or to preserve the physical and mental health of the mother. An abortion must be performed in a public hospital or authorised private facility - if there are staff willing to perform the procedure.
LATVIA
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
LITHUANIA
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
LUXEMBOURG
Availability: Under certain conditions
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
Conditions: Allowed during first 12 weeks to save a woman's life, to preserve her mental or physical health, for economic or social reasons in the cases of rape or incest or foetal impairment. A one-week reflection period is required and the pregnant woman must be given an information booklet in which options other than abortion are explained.
MALTA
Availability: None
Conditions: Abortion is prohibited in all circumstances. Anyone performing an abortion - or a woman who performs one on herself or consents to the procedure - can be jailed for between 18 months and three years. A physician, surgeon, obstetrician, or pharmacist who performs an abortion faces a jail term of 18 months to four years and a lifelong ban from exercising his or her profession.
THE NETHERLANDS
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 13 weeks
Conditions: A five-day waiting period is required between the initial consultation and the performance of an induced abortion. The procedure must be performed in a licensed hospital or clinic. Abortion is allowed after 13 weeks (up to 24 weeks) if she claims to be in a state of distress.
POLAND
Availability: Under certain conditions
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
PORTUGAL
Availability: Under certain conditions
Gestational limit: 16 weeks
ROMANIA
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 14 weeks
Conditions: Must be carried out with the woman's consent in an approved medical institution or surgery. Abortions may be performed later in pregnancy if absolutely necessary for therapeutic reasons, according to legal provisions.
SLOVAKIA
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 12 weeks
SLOVENIA
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 10 weeks
SPAIN
Availability: Under certain conditions
Gestational limit: 22 weeks
Conditions: Abortions are allowed to avoid serious risk to physical or mental health of the woman within the first 12 weeks. If the pregnancy is a result of rape, the rape must first be reported to the police and the procedure carried out within 12 weeks of pregnancy.
In case of foetal impairment, two specialists, other than the doctor performing the abortion, must certify that the child would suffer from severe physical or mental defects. The procedure must be performed within the first 22 weeks.
All abortions must be reported to the national health authorities.
SWEDEN
Availability: On request
Gestational limit: 18 weeks
Conditions: Between 12 and 18 weeks of gestation, the women must discuss the procedure with a social worker. After 18 weeks, permission must be obtained from the National Board of Health and Welfare.
Abortions must be performed by a licensed medical practitioner and, except in cases of emergency, in a general hospital or other approved healthcare establishment. Abortion is subsidised by the government. The country says illegal abortions have been eradicated.
UNITED KINGDOM
Availability: Under certain conditions
Gestational limit: 24 weeks
Why isn't 9 weeks enough, and the typical abortion is 12 weeks here. Its legal within the first trimester.
"Coverage for about 7 million people expected to enroll in health exchanges next year will cost U.S. taxpayers about $26 billion, the Congressional Budget Office says. That figure nearly doubles a year later, and exchange coverage is expected to total $1.1 trillion through 2023. A spokeswoman for the agency, Deborah Kilroe, said in an e-mail that it has no estimate of how many people in exchanges will be retirees." FROM speech's link re: cities transferring retirees to exchanges.
That 7 million which doubles a year later to $ 1.1 Trillion probably doesn't include the currently employed workers who will now not know if there employer will ever be required to provide coverage or pay a penalty. Do they bide their time until 2015 and see what happens and hope not to get sick while paying their "tax" for not having insurance or go to exchanges and get covered?
How many group policies did insurance companies plan on picking up in 2014 and what effect will having to cover pre-existing conditions etc. now have on everyone's rates? My group plan usually runs from July through June, but this year it runs only until Oct. Insurance companies want as much smoke as possible to clear before they have to agree to any premiums for 2014 and that was before the recent "delay" of employer requirements.
Single payer is coming Ex, and it was a pretty shrewd switcheroo planned from day one.
I'll go for 9 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
A new day, a new screwup for Obamacare.
A break for smokers? Glitch may limit penalties
Aside from the latest implementation glitch, I want to know why Obama hates smokers.
Hello again, Steve:Me too.Quote:
I want to know why Obama hates smokers.
Excon
smearcase has said it twice on recent comments . Obamacare was never designed to succeed .It was designed to collapse the current system completely so they can build a single payer system on the rubble.
That is a great idea too. The old system only worked for greedy capitalist.
I'm not a greedy capitolist... and I've never been accused of being rich... but the old system worked damn well and was the envy of the world.
Not really.Quote:
was the envy of the world
Hello again, tom:
Nahhhh... If, as you're want to say, the Democrats shoved it down the throats of the unwilling, then they would have shoved single payer.Quote:
so they can build a single payer system on the rubble.
Excon
Well YOUR Prime Minister Paid cash to come here for a surgery rather than use the Canadian system not that long ago... as well as huge numbers of other Canadians who are fed up with waiting months or years to get what they need in Canada, that come here pay for it and get it right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Canadians love their healthcare system.
That greedy capitalist system supported us being the world leader in medical advances and technology. Soon we'll all be like the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Happy Birthday To Great Britain's Increasingly Scandalous National Health Service
You should read the article.
Hello again, Steve:
You should tell us what YOUR plan is instead of complaining.. I'm ready to hear your fix... But, if it's to do NOTHING, because we HAD/HAVE the best health care system in the world, then you're not to be taken seriously.Quote:
You should read the article.
Excon
We've been down this road already and I will continue to exercise my right to warn about the coming train wreck. It is you who ignore all the signs of the coming disaster who are not to be taken seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
How many train wrecks have you warned us about that did not come to fruition? See: The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
Train wreck isn't our words . We are just repeating the warnings by Democrat Senator Max Baucus ,who was the key author and proponent of Obamacare in the Senate .
That's what the Canadian Pravda want you to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
But based on the numbers of Canadians getting care on our side of the border... when they need actually need it... not 6 moths or a year or more later... thats obviously not a universal opinion..
I don't even know what that is, I don't think it's a real thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
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