Hello again, Steve:
We BOTH want him to get the nomination, don't we?
excon
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Hello again, Steve:
We BOTH want him to get the nomination, don't we?
excon
I'm not picking anyone yet, but I'm loving the show so far. There's nothing to worry about right, what's to fear about a one term senator who's done nothing possibly being the leader of the country?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
The bar has been set . Scott Brown is hangin in Iowa too.
Hello again,
So, if Obama fails because he's a rookie, you're going to bring in your own rookie... THAT'S a good plan..
excon
Yeah bring in your rookie!!
Michael Jordon was a rookie once...
And some rookies like Obama choke when the spotlight hits them and they have to perform rather than talk.
Rookie ? The emperor didn't stay in the league long enough to qualify as a rookie.
True... all he did was talk about playing ball... he never actually played a game that mattered. And it shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
or it could be heat from below .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Heat flow from Earth's mantle contributes to Greenland ice meltingQuote:
The Greenland ice sheet is melting from below, caused by a high heat flow from the mantle into the lithosphere. This influence is very variable spatially and has its origin in an exceptionally thin lithosphere. Consequently, there is an increased heat flow from the mantle and a complex interplay between this geothermal heating and the Greenland ice sheet. The international research initiative IceGeoHeat led by the GFZ German Research Centre for Geosciences establishes in the current online issue of Nature Geoscience (Vol 6, August 11, 2013) that this effect cannot be neglected when modeling the ice sheet as part of a climate study.
Tom I have long said that CO2 is not the sole contributor in fact human activity only accounts for about 20%, irrespective of what the wankers at the UN think, this is why temperature rises have flattened and their models don't work, but I don't subscribe entirely to the heat from below theory, where was all this heat during the ice ages. We need to get back to planting trees not cutting them down and stop thinking about them as a sustainable resource
Polluting the air, land, and water has no effect on the environment, or the people animals and insects in it? That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.
CO2 as a pollutant is the dumbest thing I have ever heard
Is Carbon Dioxide a Pollutant? | Weather Underground
Throwing off the natural balance of CO2 kills life on Earth.
Who is the arbiteur of what is the natural balance? Just because we have a level at this moment doesn't make it the natural balance, just a balance at this point in time because this is what we observe
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I suspect your response was unprintableQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Well I already explained my pet hypothesis that the natural state of the planet is warm with a higher concentration of carbon in the atmosphere. Before the ice ages there were tropical forests at the North Poll. Fossil records prove that. This was during the Paleocene Eocene Thermal Maximum . This was probably assisted by a heat from below event... either that or the dinosaurs were driving SUVs and blowing garbage into the air via smoke stacks .Quote:
where was all this heat during the ice ages. We need to get back to planting trees not cutting them down and stop thinking about them as a sustainable resource
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Yes, but just because the natural state of the environment back then was high levels of CO2 doesn't provide justification for artificially creating high levels of CO2 now.
So what's the justification for all the doom and gloom hysteria of the impending man-made climate apocalypse even though the "settled science" keeps coming up short?
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
No gloom and doom on my part. My only concern was that the southern oceans are becoming a carbon sink for CO2. However, that wasn't the point I was making to Tom. I was suggesting that his theory is an example of affirming the consequence.
Allow me to clarify, what's the justification for all the doom and gloom hysteria by others? Science or ideology? What?
You would have to ask them I guess. However, I don't see a lot of justification at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
More likely science mixed with politics rather than ideology.
They would never admit it, but I suspect it's more politics and ideology than science.
What consequences ? Warm weather and rich vegetation growth ? Sign me up . It beats food shortages and plagues that happened in the cold periods.Quote:
I was suggesting that his theory is an example of affirming the consequence.
News in Brief: Cold spells were dark times in Eastern Europe | Science & Society | Science News
Yes Tom the future with higher CO2 may be better in some climes but melting permafrost is an issue which we don't have the dementions of yet
You would think the lefties would embrace global warming... they claim it will raise sea levels... and who owns much of the oceanfront property... the rich people they blame for everything... so if they really want to screw the rich... embrace global warming.
A bridge too far, you know who ultimately get screwed by rising waters, don't youQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Lets not forget the monied interest that influences the science and the politics. And the very human need to use the only science we have. Bad as some ay fossil fuel are for now its all we got until the technology brings something better. Pretty much the same way the computer brought about so much change, and the problems that come with it, and continues to drive change, so will renewable and alternative energy sources.
Watch the Chinese and other nations as they develop their own industries and pass out those silly masks to its citizens and feel for them because for sure we here have been down that road in our own industrial centers, without the masks of course, but we cannot forget the lessons learned first hand, that as surely as burning fossil fuels enhances life, there is always the clean up when they system gets old and needs maintenance, or suffers failures, and glitches. And it always needs maintanace,and repair. Be it the pipelines, or the roads, and rails.
We have fallen short on that side of the equation so far, and that's the price we will pay in the future, as we also have to deal with the waste bi products side as we enjoy the benefits. We cannot just look at the benefit and not see or deal with the consequences, both short, and long term, and I think we can agree we have big problems short term, and few even acknowledge the long term at all, let alone have a plan to deal with it.
Hello again,
It must be noted that I'm the one who brought up global warming in its recent incarnation.. I wasn't gloomy and doomy about it. In fact, my premise was quite bright.. But, nobody took me up on it. I'm NOT wedded to the destruction of the oil and gas industry as the solution.. In fact, over the years, I've CONSTANTLY spoken about this problem as being an OPPORTUNITY rather than the END! And, I did so here again.Quote:
They would never admit it, but I suspect it's more politics and ideology than science.
That's what Americans do. We take problems and turn them into solutions and make lots of money in the process.
But, when I speak of this stuff to our resident "free market" right wingers, they put the KIBOSH on it right away, with NO questions asked. Essentially, they're position is that technology has NOT progressed far enough to make it a reality.. So, we should just wait...
But, we didn't become who we are by waiting.
So, I already told you my position doesn't emanate from science. It emanates from my EXPERIENCE and my entrepreneurial bent. The Tesla is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.. It's the BEST car ever produced, hands down. We need MORE of that thinking - not less. If government needs to stimulate it, so be it.. That's exactly what the government SHOULD do.
Excon
Speaking of waste bi-products, Obama has allocated $52 million to Detroit to remove "urban blight."
Libs have finally found a way to add jobs, by tearing down the bi-products of their failed policies.
Keynesian policies used to be all about building infrastructure. I think they should leave it there and charge admission to view the archeology of liberalism's failure .
Except for the schools, where all of the great conservatives graduated from. :DQuote:
liberalism's failure
You really need to get over your "liberalism-is-the-cause-of-all-evil" mindset. It's a very binary view of the world.
In this case it's true . I think my idea is a good one... Great nations always leave behind the ruins of their collapse . We could call it the FDR park .
That's better than what the righties have been doing.
Massive Toxic Black Cloud, Brought To You by the Koch Bros, Blows Over Detroit | Common Dreams
That was that poor small business guy you were crying about being shut down.
Like trickle-down economics and the whole of the USA?Quote:
the ruins of their collapse
Trickle down does work... what was a figment of the imagination was trickle UP economics... poor people don't create wealth... they are the black hole where it disappears never to be seen again.
OK Genius, then tell us what the real downfall of Detroit was.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Fabulous idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
With a runner up name of Barrak Obama Park... that can be his legacy.
Get a room.Quote:
Fabulous idea.
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