And the fetus is not salvageable but is kept alive and will cost taxpayers thousands during its lifetime. You're good with that? Of course, that fetus probably should never have existed in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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And the fetus is not salvageable but is kept alive and will cost taxpayers thousands during its lifetime. You're good with that? Of course, that fetus probably should never have existed in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
What conveys the real message is we kill our own in greater numbers than the terrorists do.
Gun-death tally: Every American gun death since Newtown Sandy Hook shooting (INTERACTIVE). - Slate Magazine
I would post more links but they all paint a gloomy picture, but its great for gun sales at a record level. To bad all those guns have saved no one. The NRA said that was the solution.
Not at all, no one "allowed" them to die, someone made a choice to take their lives and why not when Planned Parenthood and our president can't bring themselves to save a child at their most helpless stage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Thanks for perfectly bringing my point to 'life.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
So how are you going to keep that fetus from existing? Tell one of those leaders?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Maybe its because those with the heaviest tolls are the places where gun control is the strictest.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I watched the PP avoid the question for 5 minutes, not interested in changing the subject.The question before you is, is there a point in a botched abortion when the doctor should cease being the killer and start being the healer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The situation is easily remedied if poor females do what educated females do, see their gynecologist sooner. Poor people make different choice when they are young and dumb. PROPER education, guidance and resources.
Sooner or later you will see poverty is the root cause of most of the problems we face.
I watched the questioners obfuscating their questions in all sorts of gobbledy gook.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
There should not be a fetus to abort in the first place. That is where we must go with this.
DA: West Philadelphia abortion doctor killed 7 babies with scissors | 6abc.com
This doctor in Philly is probably more the norm than we imagine . Who audits PP ? Clearly the PP lobbyist had no answers to what should be a slam dunk question... if there is a baby alive after a botched abortion ;you choose LIFE ! Duh!!
Thanks for answering the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Maybe the rest of you can stop the filibustering and diversion and answer it. The question before you is, is there a point in a botched abortion when the doctor should cease being the killer and start being the healer?
Apparently the PP lady isn't the only one who refuses to answer the question.
Your question yesterday is good one, and led me through the laws of many states including ours, and all can find are many lawsuit for a botched abortion and even one where the child lived and the doctor got sued for child support.
I can only give my opinion since it seems to be in the hands of the physician, but one would hope the premature child, no matter the age would be given the care of a newborn and given the chance to survive. Hoping that no complications are present to prevent a good quality of life.
The chances may be small or the expenses large and I know many hardships may lay ahead, but if there is life, then you give it a chance. Outside the woman's body it's a child that's been born.
That's just me, and sorry no links or facts, just my own feelings.
here is where medical ethics is taking this debate .
After-birth abortion: why should the baby live? -- Giubilini and Minerva -- Journal of Medical Ethics
"Doctor " Alberto Giubilini asks 'why should a new born baby live ?'.“The newborn and the fetus are morally equivalent”. The real issue, he says, is not whether they are technically alive but whether society wants them to live.
If euthanasia of babies is permissible because of a cost factor determination (as is often the case in abortions ) ;then why restrict it to babies . Forget death panels deciding to refuse treatment to the infirmed .Why not makes the call to wack them too ? After all,we are paying for their care .Quote:
If criteria such as the costs (social, psychological, economic) for the potential parents are good enough reasons for having an abortion even when the fetus is healthy, if the moral status of the newborn is the same as that of the infant and if neither has any moral value by virtue of being a potential person, then the same reasons which justify abortion should also justify the killing of the potential person when it is at the stage of a newborn.
Thanks, Tal.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Sickens me that whether a child should live is up for debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The sooner you get medical support it seems, the better the outcomes. The options are better, so is the care. You want to do away with PP, then make them unnecessary, especially through resources, and education. A woman with means doesn't wait for 20 weeks to handle her business, its mostly over and done before 12.
I think wondergirl's answer is a license to parent.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yes well you need a licence to marry so why not a licence to conceive, that way having a child out of wedlock would be a felony, short of puts the right emphasis on things and maybe abortion would become a felony to, as it should be
Hello again,
If you outlawed abortion, you won't get RID of it. You'll only drive it underground. Lot's of people will DIE as a result.
You people REALLY did think you could outlaw pot, and it would just magically go away, didn't you?? Was that DUMB?? It was.. Is outlawing abortion dumb? It IS.
excon
Can you blame them Ex? Its easier to repeal the gains of the last century, than accept them. That's their only HOPE, to stifle CHANGE.
That horse left the barn when it became legal nationally . 50million plus people have died .Quote:
Lot's of people will DIE as a result.
Kind of like what happens when the government taxes the hell out of people, they don't just magically start handing over their cash. Or gun control, taxing smokes, banning sodas...Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Of what and when?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
50 million + babies aborted .A holocaust that rival's Stalin's reign of terror .
Wikipedia -- "According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), since 1973, roughly 50 million legal induced abortions have been performed in the United States." Many of those babies, had they been allowed to live, would be on public aid now, and with contraception not paid for by insurance, the number would have been even higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
So you agree with "Doctor " Alberto Giubilini .If they are a burden they should be snuffed.
Not at all. I believe in parents teaching their teens to abstain until they are in a secure relationship and financially stable with a good job and decent living quarters and money in the bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You and Speech are in favor of making women have these children, but what do you propose doing to help and support raising them once they are born? Be specific and show me where the alternatives to legal abortions is better.
Or is it you think they should be punished for not practicing abstinence or having children out of wedlock? Again, what of the children that are born. From what I see we barely take care of the kids that are here let alone the ones to come.
What I'm in favor of is to stop pretending these aren't children.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Okay. They are children born to young teen mothers who are still in middle school or early high school, the fathers are also in school or are dropouts, no one has money or a job or a clue how to care for these babies. Now what?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
What ever happened to adoption
Yeah whatever happen to adoption? Kids are lucky to get in foster care.
Look to the lower right of that picture and in Asia, that is what I prefer a large percentage of the population live without guns and without a high level of homicides. This is the message you fail to listen to. It is possible; you just have to try it
No thanks... we don't enjoy the sort of Tyranny you call everyday life.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Are you familiar with the cost and the hurdles to adopt? Surely you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yeah, yeah, tell me about costs. And while your at it, tell me about the cost of raising babies that are wanted. Or the costs of putting kids in bad homes, or the cost of going to Russia and getting a kid you know nothing about.
Every thing costs. Yeah, I know all about the cost of living, and dying in America.
Hey, you asked what happened to adoption, it isn't that easy unless you have lots of money and lawyers.
Its darn near impossible without money, lawyers... and accountants.
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