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  • Oct 17, 2012, 06:04 AM
    tomder55
    Here is the entire Rose Garden statement... including the innocuous throwaway comment about terrorism :

    Remarks by the President on the Deaths of U.S. Embassy Staff in Libya
    Rose Garden

    10:43 A.M. EDT

    THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.

    Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

    The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

    Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

    Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens's body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

    It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

    Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

    Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

    As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

    But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

    We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

    Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.

    END
    10:48 A.M. EDT


    In context ,the President linked the attack to the 'denegration ' of Islam... i.e. the Youtube video trailer for a movie no one saw.
    His comment about terrorism came after he spoke of the 9-11-2001 attacks on the US.
  • Oct 17, 2012, 06:10 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    You MISS the point.. This is very simple. Romney accused the president of NOT using the words, "act of terror". He was wrong, and he got CAUGHT.. That's it. All the OTHER words the president uttered are subterfuge...

    excon
  • Oct 17, 2012, 06:17 AM
    tomder55
    It's a big leap to claim his Rose Garden address is calling the attack on the Benghazi compound a terrorist attack . For a week after the Adm sold it as a spontaneous demonstration against a video. They sent Ambassador Rice on the Sunday news shows to reinforce that false narrative . That is the only relevant issue . It's the throw away line about 'act of terror' that is subterfuge
  • Oct 17, 2012, 06:29 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    Quote:

    it's a big leap to claim his Rose Garden address is calling the attack on the Benghazi compound a terrorist attack .
    This is not about "claims". It's about three little words. Romney accused the president of NOT saying them, and he was WRONG.

    But, it's MORE than three little words.. It's about Romneys' incompetence... It's about his inability to lead. There's NO question that Romney was setting up the president about THOSE words.. He challenged him about them.. He raised his eyebrows and gave him a look like "I've got you now, you SOB", and he was WRONG, and he got CAUGHT.

    It would seem to me, that if I were going to make a really BIG DEAL out of three words that I said WEREN'T uttered, I would have made ABSOLUTELY certain that they WEREN'T uttered. Romney didn't do that. That's a management FAILURE of monumental proportions...

    Your distraction is not going to FIX that.. He's TOAST, and he SHOULD be toast.. He's a miserable FAILURE.

    Excon
  • Oct 17, 2012, 06:30 AM
    speechlesstx
    Let's not forget the UN address 2 weeks later where his entire focus regarding the attack was the video...

    Quote:

    And that is what we saw play out in the last two weeks, where a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. Now, I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity. It is an insult not only to Muslims, but to America as well.

    For as the city outside these walls makes clear, we are a country that has welcomed people of every race and every faith. We are home to Muslims who worship across our country. We not only respect the freedom of religion, we have laws that protect individuals from being harmed because of how they look or what they believe.

    We understand why people take offense to this video because millions of our citizens are among them. I know there are some who ask why don't we just ban such a video. The answer is enshrined in our laws. Our Constitution protects the right to practice free speech.

    Here in the United States, countless publications provoke offense. Like me, the majority of Americans are Christian, and yet we do not ban blasphemy against our most sacred beliefs. As president of our country, and commander in chief of our military, I accept that people are going to call me awful things every day, and I will always defend their right to do so.

    (APPLAUSE)

    Americans have fought and died around the globe to protect the right of all people to express their views -- even views that we profoundly disagree with. We do so not because we support hateful speech, but because our founders understood that without such protections, the capacity of each individual to express their own views and practice their own faith may be threatened.

    We do so because in a diverse society, efforts to restrict speech can quickly become a tool to silence critics and oppress minorities. We do so because, given the power of faith in our lives, and the passion that religious differences can inflame, the strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech -- the voices of tolerance that rally against bigotry and blasphemy, and lift the values of understanding and mutual respect.

    I know that not all countries in this body share this particular understanding of the protection of free speech. We recognize that. But in 2012, at a time when anyone with a cell phone can spread offensive views around the world with the click of a button, the notion that we can control the flow of information is obsolete.

    The question, then, is how we respond. And on this we must agree: There is no speech that justifies mindless violence.

    (APPLAUSE)

    There are no words that excuse the killing of innocents. There is no video that justifies an attack on an embassy...
  • Oct 17, 2012, 06:48 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    This is not about "claims". It's about three words. Romney accused the president of NOT saying them, and he was WRONG.
    By the way, long after she quit being moderator in "correcting" Romney on the Libya thing, Candy Crowley admitted Romney was right, "He was right in the main, I just think he picked the wrong word.”
  • Oct 17, 2012, 06:56 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    Quote:

    Let's not forget the UN address 2 weeks later
    Let's DO forget about it... It has NOTHING to do with the particular issue we're talking about. Romney accused the president of not saying the words, "act of terror". He was WRONG. That's the issue, and that's the ONLY issue...

    OF COURSE, you want to DISTRACT us. I would too. It was a FAILURE of MONUMENTAL proportions.. In fact, it's going to COST him the presidency.

    Excon
  • Oct 17, 2012, 07:00 AM
    tomder55
    Nah the President's parsing of words ala Clintoon does not give him a pass that the lack of leadership on this issue falls on his desk.
  • Oct 17, 2012, 07:07 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    Again, this is NOT about leadership. It's about whether THREE words came out of the presidents MOUTH. Romney said they didn't. He was WRONG...

    What does THAT say about his leadership of his own campaign? To me, it says that he's utterly incompetent.

    excon
  • Oct 17, 2012, 07:36 AM
    tomder55
    ROMNEY: Yes, I -- I...

    CROWLEY:... quickly to this please.

    ROMNEY: I -- I think interesting the president just said something which -- which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror.

    OBAMA: That's what I said.

    ROMNEY: You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it was an act of terror.

    It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you're saying?


    OBAMA: Please proceed governor.

    ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

    OBAMA: Get the transcript.

    CROWLEY: It -- it -- it -- he did in fact, sir. So let me -- let me call it an act of terror...

    OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?

    CROWLEY: He -- he did call it an act of terror. It did as well take -- it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.

    ROMNEY: This -- the administration -- the administration indicated this was a reaction to a video and was a spontaneous reaction.

    CROWLEY: It did.

    ROMNEY: It took them a long time to say this was a terrorist act by a terrorist group. And to suggest -- am I incorrect in that regard, on Sunday, the -- your secretary --

    OBAMA: Candy?

    ROMNEY: Excuse me. The ambassador of the United Nations went on the Sunday television shows and spoke about how --

    OBAMA: Candy, I'm --

    ROMNEY: -- this was a spontaneous --

    CROWLEY: Mr. President, let me --

    OBAMA: I'm happy to have a longer conversation --

    CROWLEY: I know you --

    OBAMA: -- about foreign policy.

    ...
    Candy Crowley is NOW saying Romney was right and her memory played her false when she said they were both right. .

    CNN's Candy Crowley: Romney Was Actually Right On Libya - YouTube

    If Bob Schieffer does his due dilligence ;this conversation will continue Monday and the President won't be able to hide behind Candy Crowley's skirt.
  • Oct 17, 2012, 07:41 AM
    speechlesstx
    You're really grasping at straws, ex.
  • Oct 17, 2012, 07:56 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    Quote:

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.
    Quote:

    You're really grasping at straws, ex.
    I don't know about this straw stuff.. Me thinks, perchance, it's YOU who's grasping... Because this is very simple... It's about three little teeny words, and whether they were spoken on a certain day by a certain president...

    Your guy, Romney, said they weren't. But, we KNOW they were! I don't know what else there IS to say about that. You can continue to DENY reality, or you can continue to let me beat you up. I hope you continue.. I'm having a wonderful time.

    excon
  • Oct 17, 2012, 08:00 AM
    tomder55
    I find it comical that this is the thing that had the biggest impact in a 90 minute debate .
  • Oct 17, 2012, 08:13 AM
    speechlesstx
    I find it comical, too. And like I said, Crowley DID admit Romney was right after all. And you know, even though CBS poll gave a slight edge to Romney overall, Romney hammered him on the economy 65% to 34%. That was easy against a guy that says low gas prices means a bad economy and whose idea of lowering corporate tax rates is to raise them. People are going to vote their pocketbooks and Obama is going to lose.
  • Oct 17, 2012, 08:17 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    Quote:

    I find it comical that this is the thing that had the biggest impact in a 90 minute debate .
    What I find even more comical than that, is when Romney was closing, HE, himself brought attention to his 47% statement, and stuck his jaw out for the president to slug...

    And, the president obliged him.

    First off, Romney won the toss. How did he let Obama go last?? Big mistake. Then giving Obama THAT kind of opening was so luscious, I'm STILL chuckling over that one.. I think Obama infiltrated the Romney campaign.. It COULDN'T have been scripted any better for Obama...

    Excon
  • Oct 17, 2012, 08:20 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    Quote:

    People are going to vote their pocketbooks and Obama is going to lose.
    You're right about the first part, but WRONG about the second.. That's because the people in Ohio are working BECAUSE of Obama, and they're going to reward him for it..

    And, without Ohio, Romney loses.

    Excon
  • Oct 17, 2012, 09:46 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    That was easy against a guy that says low gas prices means a bad economy
    I wonder how he explains the low gas prices at the end of the Clintoon reign ?
  • Oct 17, 2012, 10:35 AM
    speechlesstx
    On Sept 20th Jay Carney admitted no one called the Benghazi incident terrorism.

    Quote:

    On September 20 – eight days after Obama claims to have called the Benghazi attack an “act of terror” – Jay Carney affirmed to reporters that the White House had never called it “a terrorist attack.”

    From the gaggle on Air Force One, en route Miami, 9/20/2012:

    Q: Can you — have you called it a terrorist attack before? Have you said that?

    MR. CARNEY: I haven’t, but – I mean, people attacked our embassy. It’s an act of terror by definition.

    Q: Yes, I just hadn’t heard you –

    MR. CARNEY: It doesn’t have to do with what date it occurred.

    Q: No, I just hadn’t heard the White House say that this was an act of terrorism or a terrorist attack. And I just –

    MR. CARNEY: I don’t think the fact that we hadn’t is not — as our NCTC Director testified yesterday, a number of different elements appear to have been involved in the attack, including individuals connected to militant groups that are prevalent in eastern Libya, particularly in the Benghazi area. We are looking at indications that individuals involved in the attack may have had connections to al Qaeda or al Qaeda’s affiliates, in particular al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.
    While Romney may have left Obama an opening it sucks for him that his lame defense based on a search of his transcripts that found the word "terror" puts it right back in the media. The fact checkers that jumped on Obama's boat last night are all admitting Obama's claim was false and Romney was right. Obama can raise his hackles all he wants, but finally coming under some media scrutiny is mad mojo for him.
  • Oct 17, 2012, 11:10 AM
    NeedKarma
    Pictures leaked from Romney's office:

    http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...88173004_n.jpg
  • Oct 17, 2012, 01:10 PM
    talaniman
    Just admit the bully boss got spanked. And for the record, speculators and oil companies have more affect on price of gas than any president, since its traded as a commodity and the world market sets the price.
  • Oct 17, 2012, 01:13 PM
    Wondergirl
    Loved this cartoon that flowed out of the "binders full of women" meme.
  • Oct 17, 2012, 01:47 PM
    speechlesstx
    Obama's Female Debate Coach Complained About 'Hostile Workplace' at White House

    Quote:

    Last night, President Obama presented himself as a crusader for women's issues. He later tweeted:

    Mitt Romney still won’t say whether he’d stand up for equal pay, but he did tell us he has “binders full of women.” OFA.BO/LMVWmZ

    — Barack Obama (@BarackObama) October 17, 2012

    What's interesting about this is President Obama's own history with women in the work place.

    When one of President Obama's debate coaches, Anita Dunn, worked at the White House, this is what she reportedly had to say about her experience there:

    “This place would be in court for a hostile workplace. ... Because it actually fit all of the classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women.”

    In the same piece, former economic adviser Christina Romer is reported as saying, "I felt like a piece of meat."

    “‘I felt like a piece of meat,’ Christina Romer, former head of the Council of Economic Advisers, said of one meeting in which Suskind writes she was ‘boxed out’ by Summers,” reported the Post.

    Time magazine called Obama's White House a "Boys' Club."
    Would women rather be in Romney's binder or treated with hostility like a "piece of meat?"
  • Oct 17, 2012, 02:01 PM
    NeedKarma
    Funny how that surfaces a year after the incident. I don't remember you guys being outraged then, is now a better time?
  • Oct 17, 2012, 02:11 PM
    talaniman
    Anita Dunn: Not Merely a Liar, but a Foolish One - By Jim Geraghty - The Campaign Spot - National Review Online

    Quote:

    Dunn says she was quoted out of context and told The Post on Friday that she told Suskind “point blank” that the White House was not a hostile work environment... “I remember once I told Valerie that, I said if it weren't for the president, this place would be in court for a hostile workplace,” Dunn is heard telling Suskind. “Because it actually fit all of the classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women.”
    Book: Women in Obama White House felt excluded and ignored - The Washington Post

    Quote:

    “There isn't a single woman in this ad,” Dunn said. “I was dumbfounded. It wasn't like they were being deliberately sexist. It's just there was no one offering a female perspective.”

    The ad was later reshot, with women included
    Nice try.
  • Oct 17, 2012, 02:22 PM
    cdad

    Lets take a look beyond the words. What is Obama really doing ?

    (quote)


    According to the 2011 annual report on White House staff, female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000).


    http://freebeacon.com/hostile-workplace/
  • Oct 17, 2012, 02:43 PM
    paraclete
    You can't draw conculsions from such statistics a median is simply the mid point in a series of numbers and the larger the number of lower numbers the further down the scale the median will be. Now if you had said that the number of females employed in senior roles is significantly less than males your statistic might have provided evidence of bias, but you have not provided any evidence that females doing equivalent work are paid less..

    The point here is that skill sets are different and responsibilities are different and they produce different income outcomes. I don't expect these "lower paid" female employees are expected to put in the equivalent hours of their "highly paid" male counterparts
  • Oct 17, 2012, 02:49 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Funny how that surfaces a year after the incident. I don't remember you guys being outraged then, is now a better time?
    Dude, you're the one that thinks all I do is hammer Obama and Democrats. You just proved your own argument wrong. Good job.
  • Oct 17, 2012, 03:00 PM
    talaniman
    White House Payroll Up 14% Under Obama

    Job description is what defines equal pay for equal work. And I would have to breakdown those averages between males and females. Now we can debate how many of each gender or where they are assigned.
  • Oct 17, 2012, 03:09 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Dude, you're the one that thinks all I do is hammer Obama and Democrats. You just proved your own argument wrong. Good job.
    There was a reason for it not being a big issue, as Tal showed your rag source lied about the context.
  • Oct 17, 2012, 03:49 PM
    talaniman
    More Romney debate LIES,

    As Governor, Romney's Eagerness to Hire Women Faded - NYTimes.com

    Quote:

    It was perhaps not his best moment. By Wednesday morning, skeptics pounced on his claim, citing a 2007 academic study that concluded that when Mr. Romney left office in December 2006, the share of women in top policy-making jobs was actually smaller than it was under his Republican predecessor.

    Moreover, women's-rights advocates said that Mr. Romney had falsely claimed to be the inspiration for promoting women to high positions when in fact a women's political organization had conceived and largely executed it.
    Quote:

    Though Mr. Romney clearly misspoke, it is interesting to note that he claimed to have appointed more women to top jobs than any other governor, when the two studies measured percentages, not raw numbers.

    Were you to use raw numbers, you'd find that 21 governors named more women to top posts than did Romney, Saidel said, largely because a lot of states give governors the right to name lots of appointees. Those governors chose more women, but they chose even more men, putting them behind Mass in the share of appointees.
    Maybe the dog ate his homework.
  • Oct 17, 2012, 03:57 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Pictures leaked from Romney's office:

    http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...88173004_n.jpg

    https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...08796255_n.jpg
  • Oct 17, 2012, 04:07 PM
    talaniman
    Romney's Proposal to Cap Deductions Would Not Pay for His Tax Cuts - NYTimes.com

    Those pesky tax policy guys again, so when do we get more details.
  • Oct 17, 2012, 05:44 PM
    paraclete
    Look, start from the base that everything is on the table and that they will steadily eliminate each option so to not piss off too many voters in each sector until they find, like so many others, that you cannot eliminate anything. All you can really do is tweak the system at the edges or you can be sensible and decide that you can put a total cap on the whole thing by going back to the minimum tax, that's what happened before.

    With mortgage rates low, you can bet that they will think we should eliminate the mortgage interest deduction, but wait if we do that we kick the housing market in the guts. With church attendance falling they will think we can eliminate that part of charitable deductions, but there are still too many mormons that would piss off. On and on it goes until there is no way to get it done. It's like cutting red tape, how do you do it without doing what Pol Pot did
  • Oct 18, 2012, 05:02 AM
    tomder55
    The Tax Policy Center is a Leftist front group for the DNC. They are run by the far left Brooking Institute and the even farther left Urban League.Anything they publish has the same credibility as a DNC press release.
  • Oct 18, 2012, 05:13 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    This is NOT difficult... I don't need a think tank to tell me how to subtract... The numbers don't add up. If you have a mathematician to link me to that says they do, link away.

    Otherwise, I'm satisfied with the way I add.

    excon
  • Oct 18, 2012, 05:18 AM
    tomder55
    Mitt Romney's Tax Plan and Tax Policy Center's Skewed Analysis
  • Oct 18, 2012, 05:37 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    Thanks, but that link didn't tell me that Romney's plan works.. It just says that the TPC is wrong..

    Look.. I KNOW what 20% of the taxes are. I KNOW how many MAJOR loopholes, I mean deductions, there are. I KNOW what's left if we cut them out. I KNOW that he wants to INCREASE spending on the military. I just want to know how it adds up... It's a simple request.

    What? Is he afraid that I'm going to LIKE 'em too much?

    excon
  • Oct 18, 2012, 05:46 AM
    paraclete
    He wants the nation that spends 41% of all military spending to spend more, what sort of ratbag is this guy, he must be smoking dope or it's america against the world, pure meglomania

    List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  • Oct 18, 2012, 06:17 AM
    speechlesstx
    Ex, what is Obama's plan? So far he's running on a the same theme of "liar, liar pants on fire" and "forward." What the hell is "forward?" Quite frankly I think Romney could win by using Giuliani's first slogan, ‘you can't do any worse."
  • Oct 18, 2012, 06:46 AM
    tomder55
    The biggest lie of the night :
    Quote:

    OBAMA: Barry, I think a lot of this campaign, maybe over the
    Last four years, has been devoted to this nation that I think
    Government creates jobs, that that somehow is the answer.

    That's not what I believe. I believe that the free enterprise
    System is the greatest engine of prosperity the world's ever known.

    I believe in self-reliance and individual initiative and risk
    Takers being rewarded.

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