Come on, you can't spin your way out of this one. There is absolutely no mistaking Pelosi's reference to the biblical Job, the man of patience. Who has and who hasn't read it is irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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Come on, you can't spin your way out of this one. There is absolutely no mistaking Pelosi's reference to the biblical Job, the man of patience. Who has and who hasn't read it is irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I didn't say it wasn't the Biblical Job.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Now I understand you better.
She says he has a lot of patience, and she is correct.
Obviously, even in the face of overwhelming, indisputable evidence, you are never wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
"She wasn't referring to the Bible. Job is an Everyman, just like King Lear is or Hamlet."
Job is an Everyman in the English language. One does not have to introduce him by saying he's from the Bible. It doesn't matter that he's from the Bible. His story is universal. People who know nothing about the Bible recognize the name Job and that his name means patience in suffering.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Even I've heard of the expression "the patience of Job" - I guess I should be giving bible lessons now. LOL!
If even YOU know about Job, that proves my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
The speaker of the house better get with the former speaker of the house because he needs some votes.
The Tea Party and the debt ceiling - Ezra Klein - The Washington Post
The House has called Obama's bluff and scheduled a vote next week on raising the ceiling by 2.4 trillion with matching cuts while he says we're running out of time and offering no specifics.
LOL, he doesn't have to do or say anything as the way it works is it goes to the senate, and they have to vote, amend, and debate it, then it goes back to the house for ratification. No doubt the senate will add revenues to whatever they vote on, so the house is where the action is.
Until then, the president has to wait for the final product to reach his desk. Then its his call to sign, veto, or use it as toilet paper. That's how the process works.
He ain't bluffing either. He already said unless it's a balanced approach, REVENUES, and CUTS, it gets vetoed.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL Who has called whose bluff??Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
That's the spin, but debate is over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Really? That's how the process works? Gee thanks, I had no idea. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I thought all the action was in the House, that he didn't have to say or do anything? You mean he's actually supposed to lead? And he has, by ignoring his own commission and demanding $3 billion from corporate jet owners and geading a party that refuses to even propose a budget.Quote:
He ain't bluffing either. He already said unless it's a balanced approach, REVENUES, and CUTS, it gets vetoed.
He was against raising the debt ceiling before he was for it .
‪Juan Williams Pwned: Sean Hannity Makes Williams Look Like Complete A$$‬‏ - YouTube
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The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
Well it wasn't Bush. In fact as long as the corporations own your government you won't get anyone there that does the will of the people.Quote:
Americans deserve better.
You can talk about failure of leadership but the failure doesn't necessarily fall on BO, the failure happened long ago and has been perpetuated until the burden becomes unbearable. Leadership says you cut into the dead wood but it also says you must be realistic about the revenue base. It is currently inadequate for a number of reasons, and one of those reasons is greed. Corporate greed typified by the actions of banks and traders. It is also inadequate because of unemployment, the bill for benefits is large and ongoing. So why don't you take the Greek pill and make modest reductions in various benefits at the same time making modest changes to the tax regime. Those who benefit pay the bill. Take back all the shoring up given to various corporates and if they fail let them
Hello again,
27 pages and no resolution... The righty's STILL think it's just hunky dory to let the rich off and make the poor pay.
What I don't understand, is why THEY don't understand WHY that PISSES liberals off.
excon
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Too many claims and counter claims from the incompetent left and right of politics. It makes us non-Americans scratch our heads.
Reading the Current Events board here won't give you a real depiction of american politics just the fringe/fanatical element. Most americans I've met are much more moderate. People have bigger personalities on the internet due to the anonymity.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hi Karma,
You're closer to the action than I am so I am happy to go along with that.
Thank goodness for that! I was starting to get worried.
Tut
Funny how that's the first time in a hundred years we have heard that. I think its more an effort to denigrate and bring down a Democratic president by the right wing than a lack of anything. And they make no bones about it as a priority, over any need this country has.Quote:
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.
The right wing sees everything as an opportunity to get what they want, smaller government, weaker government, and a bunch of poor people without jobs or resources. They think it makes their piece of the pie bigger, and better.
Then the US government has never been able to pay its bills, because raising the debt ceiling has always been around decades anyway. Why is it bad now? Because the right wing said so. And it's a perfect opportunity to hold the whole country hostage AGAIN, and extort more tribute to there corporate masters, (nice rhetoric, hehehe!), to keep resources and wealth in the deserving hands of rich fat cats, and doled out as they see fit.Quote:
It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills.
To do this and keep the masses under thumb, they have to divert the peoples money from the peoples interest, and into their own pockets.
Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security,and anything that helps the poor and disenfranchised, and unfortunate, like Education, and Health Care have an opportunity to rising above their own poverty, or station in life.Quote:
It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. …
Moving jobs overseas weakens America, not making things here in America weakens America, but then that was part of the plan any way, to turn us into another third world country with cheap labor, weak government, and corporate dictators raking in the money.Quote:
Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally.
Just as right wing policy seeks to keep generations of poor, even poorer, and without education, and opportunity for anything but the most menial, low wage jobs in the world. The working class is the new servant class. That's what they mean by a service economy. With big gaps between class, and privilege.Quote:
Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the
Burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren.
Yes it deserves better and will work to get it, as we defeat the right wing, and restore America to the land of opportunity, and the world leader in innovation, both in scientific, and social advancement.Quote:
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
The revolution will be televised, but you have to have cable to get it.
For sale, Fox Cable News, must have responsible owners. Inquire at Congress for details
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Job wanted-Right wing Presidential candidates, and pundits, will comment and spew craziness for the right price, and perks, easy terms and wages negotiable.
Ummm... you do realize that was Obama saying those exact words in 2006 ?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...t-ceiling.html
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You DO realize that it was a POLITICAL vote he cast while looking over his shoulder to make sure the bill PASSED.
In fact, that's EXACTLY what wingers are doing because they KNOW the debt ceiling MUST be raised.. Once the votes are tallied, Michelle Bachmann is going to vote against it for the SAME reason Obama did.
You DID know that. You just wanted to shove a stick in his eye.
excon
Then why did he make a floor speech justifying his position ? It sure looks like he meant it to me.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Why is Bachmann making speeches about it EVERY day?? The difference is Obama KNEW the debt limit had to be raised... Michelle Bachmann believes her own schtick... I think you do too.
excon
He was making a statement, not obstructing. Not demanding, not misleading. As were all who cast NO votes back in the day.
Enough talk, lets vote and go from there.
I think there will be a vote and a short term extension. The Republic leaders have no spine.
In another couple days Geithner will pull a page from the Hank Paulson playbook and get on his knees begging Congress to raise the ceiling. To the guardians of the Levithian way of thinking ,you can never spend enough.
Boy I think its hilarious, the very ones who holler about spending never say what they mean, and resist any effort to cut the spending that they like the most, and I find it hard to believe that a hedge fund guy making billions, only pays 15 percent taxes.
How is that fair specifically? Don't talk about what the left or right is doing, talk to me about what YOU mean!
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That's the spin, of course.. Obama was offering to CUT 3 times as much as he proposed raising taxes on the superrich... That doesn't look like he wants to spend. It looks like he wants to cut... I know that because I can add.
Besides, it WAS the very conservative George Bush that spent us into oblivion. So, when you lament the debt on your children's head, REMEMBER who did it to them.
excon
In case you missed or intentionally ignored my previous comments... I said across the board cuts ;nothing spared .Quote:
Boy I think its hilarious, the very ones who holler about spending never say what they mean, and resist any effort to cut the spending that they like the most,
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.. Obama was offering to CUT 3 times as much as he proposed raising taxes on the superrich... That doesn't look like he wants to spend. It looks like he wants to cut... I know that because I can add.
I never gave Bush a pass on spending and growing the entitlement state. The President wants cuts you say ?Quote:
Besides, it WAS the very conservative George Bush that spent us into oblivion. So, when you lament the debt on your children's head, REMEMBER who did it to them.
Let's start by getting rid of the Bush expansions to Medicare and Dept of Education... I imagine that the lefty's would sing a different tune about cutting programs that was beloved by the swimmer Ted Kennedy ;who worked in a "bipartisan" way to get those 2 programs initiated .
BTW... he says super rich while still targeting earners at $250,000 . All his talk of taxing the super rich is demagogic BS . You could take all the money from the 'super rich' and not come close to balancing the books .
You have to admit that every little bit adds up and gets you closer to where you want to be. Lets be clear Tom, I don't disagree with everything you say, just the ones on Fox, who make a living by talking crazy.Quote:
You could take all the money from the 'super rich' and not come close to balancing the books .
Where will they go when Rupert loses his license? How will Sarah put gas in her bus? Where will Shaun throw his football? You mean you don't care about these low information nut jobs??
I watch Shep Smith and Bret Baire... occasionally Mike Wallace. I think those 3 represent a superior brand of new broadcasts than any other network . Other than that I don't rely on the network for commentary .I have much better sources including the one that led me to the Hannity Williams exchange.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I don't care about the future of FOX . If they go there will be another network to replace them .
I could have course waste my time pointing fingers to your sources like the GE funded MSNBC... I thought you didn't like corporations that don't pay taxes . But I'd rather put my views on the table and debate and defend them .
I don't like corporations that don't pay taxes, GE included. Shep, and Chris Wallace are journalist, and all information I cite be it fact, opinion, or just feelings I do check out, with an open mind.
By my math, taxes should be contingent on the times, and flexible enough to fit the needs of the people, not fixed and subject to the whims of either party, as with spending, to reflect thoughtful deliberations, and max efficiency.
I get a bit agitated when you interfere with women's health to stop a few abortions, for example, OR changing Medicare to a voucher plan and lower taxes for rich guys. Doesn't seem fair to holler there ain't no money for WIC, but there is for a rich guy to fly his jet.
And what does shortening the early voting days have to do with a fair election, or making rules about young people voting where they live, not where they are at. Why is that allowed? Or my biggest peeve, Social activism and conflict of interest by judges, especially the ones at the top!
Lots of things that need fixing far as I can see.
Hi Tal,Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Don't worry Rupert will reinvent himself as he had always done. When it comes to the media pandering to the lowest common denominator is what Rupert does best. He finds a niche and exploits it for everything it's worth. You only have to look at the quality of journalism evident in any of the media companies he owns.
Tut
I'll comment on the Judiciary on a new discussion .
Fox News isn't going anywhere but to continue trampling the competition.
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hi Speech,
Popularity won't necessarily save them. The News of World was very popular until people realized what they were buying into. It is always tempting to be attracted to the lowest common denominator.
Tut
I take issue with this characterization that broadcasts reflecting political philosophies we agree with is "catering to the lowest common denominator " .
We were discussing Fox, not MSNBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
Your issue is noted, let's move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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