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No Ex but you sure have one up yours. I just wonder why the hell we are discusssing baseball when people are dying.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
So would you arm the libyian rebels or would you let them get slaughtered?
It's a question BO must wrestle with every day lately and his response, we will take our ball and go sit in the bleechers. It must be hard to conduct a covert war when you have your allies looking over your shoulder
Yeah I'd give them a 33 oz Louisville Slugger and say It's a beautiful day for a ballgame... Let's play two! (Ernie Banks)Quote:
So would you arm the libyian rebels
Well that might be fine if they knew what you are talking about and you did the same for daffy's mob, but the whole thing is a little one sided at the moment, aside from the rebels claiming victories that look more like trapsQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Daffy is losing some high profile defectors. If his inner circle crumbles we'll see regime change.
No Tom don't you know daffy doesn't need anyone, the people love him and will die for him and while we focus on what this idiot is doing thousands die elsewhere
I find it both sick and sad that Daffy is now pleading with BO to stop the war. This fellow has truly lost perspective. He has gone from needing no one to needing Obama
Obama and Daffy are birds of a feather.
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
You have to admit, Obama has a nicer tent.
excon
Yeah... thats a fact I won't argue.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Does daffy have ongoing renovations. I heard he hadn't even fixed up the hole Reagan made. Is it true BO now receives visitors at the back door
Well weeks have gone by and still Daffy is allowed to kill civilians with excuses being made that his forces are dug in in civilian areas. The answer predator drones we all know how good they are at targeting forces in civilian areas. When will we get real about this and realise protecting civilians means troops on the ground?
We ? The President is developing a doctrine here .
'Lead kinectic military operations from behind.'
How the Arab Spring remade Obama's foreign policy : The New YorkerQuote:
Nonetheless, Obama may be moving toward something resembling a doctrine. One of his advisers described the President’s actions in Libya as “leading from behind.” That’s not a slogan designed for signs at the 2012 Democratic Convention, but it does accurately describe the balance that Obama now seems to be finding. It’s a different definition of leadership than America is known for, and it comes from two unspoken beliefs: that the relative power of the U.S. is declining, as rivals like China rise, and that the U.S. is reviled in many parts of the world. Pursuing our interests and spreading our ideals thus requires stealth and modesty as well as military strength. “It’s so at odds with the John Wayne expectation for what America is in the world,” the adviser said. “But it’s necessary for shepherding us through this phase.”
He sees his role as hastening and managing America's decline.
Yes his doctrine is do nothing decisive otherwise known as do nothingQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
[QUOTE=paraclete;2783996]Actually doing nothing would be a far better doctrine than the "make it up as you go" doctrine they have been using.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Really I thought he had switched to doing nothing as distinct from bombing the crap out of everything
He's doing what the "international community " and his Valkyrie trio tell him to do.
"Valkyrie" can we expect an assassination attempt any time soon?
Maybe . Lindsey Graham suggested that very thing this week .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
But my reference is about his 'Amazon' advisors Evita Clintoon, Samantha Power, and Susan Rice .
Ah I hear Wagner playing and don't you just love the smell of naplam in the morning. It occurred to me the other day that the solution to the problem in Libya is aircav and assault heliocopters. Now that is a unique US capability, I wonder why it hasn't occurred to BO. They don't need to actually touch ground.
Oh I remember now the last time they used heliocopters in Africa they did actually touch ground
Speaking of the international community, ironically Syria is about to join the UN Human Rights Council while rolling tanks out against their own people.
UN insanity
Yes ironic how they let the scumbags in isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Doesn't Surprise me at all. They have a long history of doing stupid and inappropriate things.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Just heard someone put a well placed rocket where it ought to go but as usual, missed, you think they would have learned something in Iraq, but no. The dear leader is never where you expect him to be, after all he might be mad but he isn't stupid..
It seems you can threaten the US all you like but you can't threaten Italy, are the Romans making a come back?
And as usual, officials claimed they weren't targeting Gaddafi.
Obama must be throwing another tantrum that everyone and everything isn't doing performing exactly as he demands.
You think BO did this, no he's letting his henchmen take the blame
He had been there . He got lucky again. He was making a socal call at the time of the strike.
Disgusting that he allowed his grandchildren to stay at a place ,operating as a command and control bunker ,that he knew would probably be hit. He used his gradchildren as human shields .
That's the type of sub-human we are dealing with.
I'm switching the name for this bird from daffy to dodo, he is about to become extinct
Libya seems to have dropped off everyone's radar screen after the spectacular in Pakistan last week but far more important than Obama stroking his ego is the loss of life in Libya.
It has been reported that that there have been a number of sinkings of refugee boats and one has to ask, what the hell are the various powers surrounding Libya doing about it? SQUATT?
Aid agencies: Refugee boat carrying hundreds sank off Libyan coast - The Washington Post
What exactly can they do about a refugee boat sinking ? This happened also when the communist North Vietnamese took over South Vietnam . In that case they fled the country after it was over-run having lived their lives in their homes throughout decades of war.
Are you suggesting that Daffy is sinking refugee boats ? I've seen no evidence of that . The article you link to suggests it was an over-crowded boat.
The answer to the rest of your question is that both Egypt and Tunisia have refugee camps on their respective borders with Libya.
Dodo might be sinking them but no I don't expect there is a vacuum or a radar blackout in the mediterranian so those naval vessels know where boats are and the conditions yet a number of vessels have been lost. Obviously the refugee camps are inadequate and the people smugglers are doing a roaring tradeQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Tom you asked if I was suggesting Dodo was sinking boats, the reports are he is doing the next best thing, forcing refugees on to boats after stealing their money. Only in the arab world (Islamic) do we find behaviour like this. Must be a reason for it. It is nothing short of Nazism or perhaps they are financing the flight of the Dodo since he hasn't been seen since the bombing. A true coward
It's amazing how a current topic can quickly fade from the public interest. Daffy the Dodo defies us all and is still in Tripoli making trouble despite the best efforts of the allsoround nations typified by NATO to bomb him out. All I can say is; if a real war starts, God help us all
Without America leading the effort ,the western world is basically neutered . Yet you still say the US should bring our military down to western standards.Quote:
All I can say is; if a real war starts, God help us all
Not much happening here. The President has gone so far as to ignore even the basic provisions of the 'War Powers Act';even though he cited the Act as the legal basis of his ability to conduct military activities . He was supposed to obtain Congressional authorization 60 days after he took America into war... oops I mean “time-limited, scope-limited kinetic military action.”
He says that he doesn't need their approval because of the limited scope of US participation ,and that it is a NATO led operation. I don't see his case . The Act doesn't mention either scope of operation or only wars that the US leads . The US is probably lending very critical and valuable logistic and intel to the effort.
He did "send a letter " to Congress asking for a declaration of approval . That has not come .The 60 days has expired . He is now in violation of the law.
The left which went nuts protesting the Iraq war has barely been heard from.
The War Powers Act itself is worthy of it's own posting . There are justifiable reasons for both sides of the aisle to believe the Act was an over-reaction to the Vietnam war and is unconstitutional .From my perspective it allows Congress to veto executive action by inaction rather than by resolution . Others say the act is unconstitutional because it allows for executive action up to 60 days without Congressional approval.
President-elect Obama met with a bi-partisan commission that proposed to Congress "the War Powers Consultation Act of 2009" which would update the 1973 act and eliminate many of the objections . Evidently the President found the act convenient once in office because he has not done a thing to support the revisions.
Suffice it to say that for now it is the law of the land ,and the President is in violation of the law.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I agree. Does that count as more than barely?
excon
Don't worry Tom the US is contributing its unique abilities which apparently don't need a declaration of war and an act of congress. No doubt a predator or two is waiting for the moment to end the dodo, that will make two down if and when it happens. Interesting that such devices originate in the home of the brave
But the Messiah is above the laws meant for mere mortals.
I didn't think there were any mere mortals over there:DQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Why does your crappy religion keep creeping up everywhere? Think for yourself!Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Just to use the word messiah doesn't imply religion unless you are referring to the Cult of the President, which is very much crappy religionQuote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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