I LOVE that idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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I LOVE that idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
The Same thing can be said for the priest pedophilia scandal - does silence assume consent?Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
Also you are using the No True Scotsman argument: No true Scotsman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Isn't that against your religion?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Probably. But I never said I was perfect. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Exact? No way. The Catholic Church is different. They speak "as a group" (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Encyclicals, writings of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops) frequently and loudly - as do many individual leaders (Priests, Bishops and Cardinals). There are writings and teachings galore that affirm that abusing people is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
The Muslims, on the other hand, do not have a "Catechism" or a recognized leader who can speak for the whole. Each community acts on it's own.
So what Bishop or other leader of the Catholic Church are you not able to find statements condemning Priests and others who abuse children?
Hello again, Rick:Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
Although the world has called for it, do you condemn the Israeli's for their brutal attack on Gaza a couple years ago? No you don't. That's because you believe the Israeli's were justified.
Now, I'm NOT saying they WERE justified, just like I'm not saying Al Quaida was justified. I'm saying people can have different views about stuff. Here, in THIS country, I have NO problem discussing Israel's culpability, or lack thereof in that attack. But, if I were in Israel, and some Israeli asked me about how I felt, I'd clam up.
Does that help?
excon
No one here is perfect. We're just a bunch of foruaholics who all have opinions and love to share them :)Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't? How would you know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
1. That situation is not comparable to a discussion about building a Mosque at ground zero, and
2. This thread is about a Mosque on ground zero, so this thread would not be the place to post my opinions about that conflict.
Hello again, Rick:Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
Well, you asked about your Muslim friend who clams up. I just tried to explain why I thought he did.
It's true, I made an assumption. I based it on your faith. MOST Christians unabashedly support Israel. I could have been wrong, of course. Am I?
excon
Well, someone has to.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I wouldn't agree that "MOST Christians unabashedly support Israel".Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
No, I don't "unabashedly support Israel"... but to discuss that would be to hijack this thread.
That issue is nowhere close to the "Mosque at ground zero" issue. If you'd like to discuss it, start a new thread :)
These Current Events threads get going in new directions all the time, no reason to stop now. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
Don't tempt me. I've got a list.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Why do reputable TV and radio shows advertise "buy gold now" when buying gold now is so stupid?
Why do so many people fall for the "reduce your credit card debt" scams?
Why do governments continue to reward people on welfare for having more babies that they can't afford?
Why can't citizens in every state own and carry a firearm without ridiculous restrictions?
The list goes on and on... but here on this site we like to stick to the issue of the subject line. We offer unlimited space to ask or discuss anything, so all we ask is to stick to the subject. The same would be true in a normal conversation. If it gets off subject, one of the two (or group) discussing or debating the issue would be right to say "that's another issue". :)
Pray on the ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
Greed, laziness and lack of discipline to correct the situation properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
Don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
Y'all can shoot yourselves silly, don't why they should stop you from doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
Not in these threads, they often end up talking about football or the weather or if it's a bunch of women as well it's often full of sexual innuendos.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
Hello Rick:Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
We've HANDLED the mosque. Besides, it's MY thread.
Gold and silver pretty much move in tandem. When I was a kid, you could buy a gallon of gasoline for a quarter. Today, you still can. The melt value for a silver quarter today, is $3.3375358040.
Now, if you think gasoline will go DOWN in price, then it would stupid to buy gold, but...
excon
The Muslims WILL call it the Mohammed ATTAH memorial Mosque... and it WILL be a pillgramage point for all radical Muslims if its #1 allowed to be built, and #2 nobody burns it down if it is.
And it IS and would be a in your FACE America swipe since so many in the Muslim world... INCLUDING the Palestinians that celebrated in the streets on 9/11. Many of us have not forgotten videos of those celebrations across the Muslim world that day.
What part of that the people who think it should be allowed do they not grasp?
Hello smoothy:
I agree that with all the hatred surrounding the mosque, some nut will try it. That's because some people, like the nut, will believe anything that's fed to them.
excon
The fact is that every construction /reconstruction project in the areas has been tied up in bureaucratic red tape for almost a decade. Yet the Cordoba project appears to be getting a fast track .
I wonder why that is ? A thorough investigation of the finances could provide answers I'd wager .
Any Mosque AT or NEAR ground Zero will be a defacto Terrorist Memorial to any and all Islamic radicals. Fact of life. Why else is a Mosque being built there by a known radical Immam? THere is no other reason. He wants a memorial to the dead terrorists right were it will be most in our faces.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
NYC has plenty of other Mosques... they are not lacking for a place of whoreship in that town.
I suggest we allow that Mosque, right after the Cathedral is finished being built in Mecca. Quid pro Quo.
After All, how is that any different than NeoNazis erecting a shrine right next to any and all Holocaust memorials that exist... and why is that any different.
They do NOT have a right top put a Mosque wherever they want any more than anyone else has a right to put anything they want wherever they want. There is no constitutional provision giving them those rights nobody else has in the USA.
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I KNEW you tea partiers didn't really like the Constitution. You'd rather we ditch it and adopt the standards of Saudi Arabia. Why do you hate this country so?
excon
Where in the Constitution does it say Muslims can plop a Mosque wherever they want, without public review and acceptance everyone else has to follow? I can't even put an addition onto my house without approval of the neighbors. THe Immam that want to build that Mosque thinks WE should adopt Sharia law... in violation of our constitution.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
What about the rights of Americans to NOT be offended by a Memorial to the 9/11 terrorists Or subsidizing that memorial through tax exempt status.
You can't build a Church anywhere you want (public impact thing)... where do they get off doing that.
Hello smoothy:
Although I LOVE arguing with you, you showed up late to the party with old arguments. They've been disposed of.
excon
True... I've been busy with other things and didn't have the time until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Best one I've heard so far was Sheik Yourbooty.
As for me, I agree with some of what Smooty is saying and some of what Excon is saying.
Smoothy: Yes, it could end up being a Terrorist Memorial, but I'm not aware that it wants "to be built by a known radical"
Excon: You should not presume that Smoothy is someone who does not "like the Constitution".
Frankly, I "don't like" the Constitution in that it is so vague in many areas that radicals can make laws saying that some things that the founders believed in have been since deemed "Unconstitutional".
Probably means nothing here, but I just wanted to say it.
The Immam that is collecting money and footing the drive to build this actually is known as a radical that days after 9/11 made disparaging remarks about the USA... so by definition he is a known radical. His actions and public statements back up that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
Pajamas Media Ground Zero Imam: 'I Don't Believe in Religious Dialogue'
I have Muslim friends, they know better than push their religion on me, and I'm not one to push mine on them... but some things are just NOT open for discussion. Such as the IRA building a memorial to its dead right across from Buckingham Palace, A memorial to the Memory of Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City, etc... all intended to be an In-your-face reminder of what has happened in the past, and not in a good way.
On the lighter side... here is a list of proposed names for the Men only social club they claim they will have.
31. Infidel-ity
30. Honor Drillings
29. Jihard
28. Filthy Omar's Rusty Trombone
27. The Arabian Queen
26. Dune Biters
25. Goat's Night Off
24. The Pink Prophet
23. The Leather Burqa
22. Git Mo
21. Pig in a Poke
20. Sheiks & Freaks
19. Sodom and Gonorrhea
18. Osama Bin Dover
17. The Exploding Goat
16. Weapons of A*s Destruction
15. Alla Assbar
14. Anderson Cooper's Apartment
13. The Sticky Prophet
12. The Sphinxter
11. Grind Zero
10. Nuclear Fuel Rods
9. Hassan's TestostoRoom
8. Turbuns
7. Bunker Busters
6. The Tali-bone
5. Al-Jizzera
4. The Gaza Stripper
3. The Sandy Gerbil
2. The Camel's Hump
1. Hide the Minaret
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Originally Posted by smoothy
I'm not sure how much credence I'll give "Pajama Media" but I'll certainly continue to watch the issue and see what the Immam is up to.
The Cordoba Initiative web site recently scrubbed a pix of Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf Iranian together with Mohammad Javad Larijani ,secretary-general of Iran's High Council for Human Rights; at an event that the Initiative sponsored in Malaysia in 2008.Larijani is sent by the Mahdi-Hatter to the UN to defend Iran's human rights record... You ,know stoning ,murder of protesters by the thousands ;religious persecution.
Meanwhile Rauf has disappeared since he began his "outreach" trip for the State Dept. Only one US Embassy in the ME will confirm they expect him to be there this month (the US embassy in Bahrain has confirmed he is expected on Aug. 19). His mission otherwise has been pretty hush hush . Is he collecting funds on the taxpayer's time ?
Well, its not just them... it was the easiest reference to find in a few minutes of looking. But all of that information has been announced in other sources... such as FOX news ETC. Just so you know its NOT obscure or little known. And its not a site I have even visted before... it just contained all the information I have heard on talk radio by others who have done in-depth research. So that's why I linked it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
Pajama Media is generally pretty credible . However ,they are a better site when the host author is named.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
Theme song by KC and the Sharia Band? Will they be dancing to "M-m-m-my Sharia?"Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again, Rick:Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
Just for clarification sake, I DON'T, at all, think smoothy hates his country or dislikes his Constitution. I really said that tongue in cheek, cause I get accused of it all the time. When discussions get heated, it seems the other side resorts to that accusation. It's NOT one usually heard from my side. That's because, like I said, we don't believe it. I'm afraid, though, the other side really DOES believe that people like me, hate their country.
excon
More generalisations... from the left who wish to legislate their agenda from the Bench, since no laws exist or constitutional provisions support their agenda they wish to impose on everyone againsrt the wishes of the majority of the population.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Funny How the Obama administration is spending millions to rebuild Mosques around the world, yet not one dime is spent on decaying Christian Cathedrals. Funny how Chistians get no defense of their rights from the left... yet we hear about the RIGHTS Muslims have to build a Memorial to the 9/11 Terrorists near Ground Zero. And they Were Muslims... and their actions were applauded very vigorously in most of the Muslim world on and after 9/11.
I have yet to hear exactly where in the Constitution that Muslims have the Right to build any Memorial parading as a Mosque anywhere they want. Disragardign pubilic sentiment and laws to the contrary. Especially when Christians can't Celecbrate Christmas or have a group prayer at any event... or even place a Christmas Tree at christmas without a protest from the very same people that support the Manhattan Terrorist memorial.
Obama is a Muslim... and he said so in his own autobiography (thus his own words)even if he publicly claims otherwise for political expediency. No wonder Obama supports it.
How about Donnie (bin) Iris Ah! Sharia!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
You forgot the most important one... He wasn't BORN here.
excon
Did you or did you not read HIS Autobiography... I guess not, because OBAMA did made that statement (that he is a muslim) in his autobiography, which by definition, is about him, written by him or it wouldn't be an autobiography.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Like I told Rick earlier, you like your Constitution. You just haven't read much of it. Take a look. The First Amendment should be enough. Here's the important part, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
It's pretty straightforward to me. Please tell me why Muslims shouldn't have that right?
excon
Please quote that part, or at least tell me the page number. And from Dreams or Audacity?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Hi, Ex.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Why don't Christians? Why don't Jews? Why can't I?
Simple answer: Frivolous lawsuits
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