There are fifteen dollar an hour jobs advertised in our area. The instant a person takes it, they are no longer "poor". They certainly are not rich, but it is in working and applying yourself that prosperity becomes possible. Staying on the liberal dem welfare plantation virtually guarantees a life of poverty. Living in public housing facilities virtually guarantees a life of chaos and danger.

you are naïve in the extreme, yes it is better to have employment than not, but to say that a person with a $15 an hour job is not poor is a deliberate lie, and why should people not take public housing if they need it?

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to say that a person with a $15 an hour job is not poor is a deliberate lie

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The official rate of poverty for a family of four in the U.S. is 25,700. Fifteen dollars an hour amounts to more than 30,000 a year, or more like 45,000 if you work sixty hours a week. If you don't know what you're talking about, and clearly you don't, then you would be better off saying nothing. There is no lying going on, only a display of your ignorance. It is, as I said, certainly not wealth, but it's a start in the right direction and is the only pathway out. And if a wife and hubby both work at 40 hrs a week, they come in at nearly 65K and that's not chicken feed.

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and why should people not take public housing if they need it?

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Between the two of us, I'm the one with experience in dealing with those who are living in public housing. The chaos and crime is staggering in those places. I had a parent tell me one time that she never let her children go outside of her apartment once they got home from school. The place was that bad, and yet it was not the worst. They are terrible places for raising children. Now perhaps you don't care about that, but I do.

Do your homework before you post.

Those two liberal dem paragons of charity, K Harris and J Biden, reported AGI of 3mil and1 mil respectively. Their charitable giving was 1% for KH and 1.5% for JB. Impressive? Nope. The figures are for 2019.

"The average giving for a comparable income level is 8.3%, studies of philanthropic giving show."



https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ome-to-charity

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The official rate of poverty for a family of four in the U.S. is 25,700. Fifteen dollars an hour amounts to more than 30,000 a year, or more like 45,000 if you work sixty hours a week. If you don't know what you're talking about, and clearly you don't, then you would be better off saying nothing. There is no lying going on, only a display of your ignorance. It is, as I said, certainly not wealth, but it's a start in the right direction and is the only pathway out. And if a wife and hubby both work at 40 hrs a week, they come in at nearly 65K and that's not chicken feed.

Between the two of us, I'm the one with experience in dealing with those who are living in public housing. The chaos and crime is staggering in those places. I had a parent tell me one time that she never let her children go outside of her apartment once they got home from school. The place was that bad, and yet it was not the worst. They are terrible places for raising children. Now perhaps you don't care about that, but I do.

Do your homework before you post.

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It is you who should do your homework. Firstly, apparently you get out of poverty by working 60 hours a week in some back breaking job. So life and according to you the high life for a husband and wife who does so.

Secondly I grew up in public housing and I find your attitude appalling

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Those two liberal dem paragons of charity, K Harris and J Biden, reported AGI of 3mil and1 mil respectively. Their charitable giving was 1% for KH and 1.5% for JB. Impressive? Nope. The figures are for 2019.

"The average giving for a comparable income level is 8.3%, studies of philanthropic giving show."



https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ome-to-charity

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Joe and Kamala look great next to the dufus using his charities to bilk contributors. They had to disband it and give the money back and ban him for life from running a charity.

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It is you who should do your homework. Firstly, apparently you get out of poverty by working 60 hours a week in some back breaking job. So life and according to you the high life for a husband and wife who does so.

Secondly I grew up in public housing and I find your attitude appalling

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When we agree we totally agree! Takes YEARS to get out of public housing, decades even.

If a person has to work sixty hours a week then so be it. He will then have the opportunity to escape poverty and become self supporting. And stop with the drama about back breaking jobs.

You were not raised in the public housing that exists here. And from ten thousand miles away you have no clue.

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If a person has to work sixty hours a week then so be it. He will then have the opportunity to escape poverty and become self supporting. And stop with the drama about back breaking jobs.

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Sixty hours a week is two full-time jobs (16+ hrs/day). Please name two such jobs that one person can do that will get him out of poverty and make him self supporting. And how long will that take?

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You were not raised in the public housing that exists here. And from ten thousand miles away you have no clue.

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Tell us about public housing in this country.

Sixty hours a week is not two full time jobs. Work the math. When I was a teacher I also worked a part time job to make ends meet. A lot of people have done it. No one said it would be easy.

I told you about public housing above.

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Sixty hours a week is not two full time jobs. Work the math.

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37.5 + 37.5 = two full time jobs = 75.0 hrs.

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I told you about public housing above.

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Not much. If it's so horrible, why do people apply for it?

Full time is forty and 75 is not 60.

You’d have to ask them.

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Full time is forty and 75 is not 60.

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Nope. FT = 37.5.

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You’d have to ask them.

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You seem to be the expert.

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When we agree we totally agree! Takes YEARS to get out of public housing, decades even.

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No I was out by 14, went to sea, later banking, and did come back to live my father while I did college. It wasn't that hard to get out, it wasn't that hard to get a decent job, and it wasn't that hard to get on, so stop with the condemnatory attitudes and realise all people have value, ambition but not everyone has the means

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all people have value . It is not true that all people have ambition .I have seen plenty of people with the means and the skill set to advance and were either content or had other reasons to not do so. I would often suggest to an employee to apply to openings that I thought they could easily perform .Some did . Many did not even though it would've worked to their benefit .

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Nope. FT = 37.5.

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Use that figure if you want to, but even then sixty hours is NOT two full time jobs or 16 hours a day as you had falsely said. The point is that a person should do what is necessary to support himself and his family. It is not easy, but it is possible. A husband and wife, even with your 75 hours a week for two jobs, would make more than 1100 dollars a week if you assume a fifteen an hour wage rate. That's a good start. Work hard. Work smart. Avoid debt.

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all people have value . It is not true that all people have ambition.

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A statement so true that it is hard to imagine how Clete could have said otherwise. There are MANY people out there with little to no ambition.

Doesn't take much for a poor struggling family to get thrown under the bus by circumstances beyond their control like an economic downturn or injury illness or death. Or prices that rise higher than your wages, or even the local plant closing and moving operations elsewhere!

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Use that figure if you want to, but even then sixty hours is NOT two full time jobs or 16 hours a day as you had falsely said.

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I went a step further than your 60 hrs. a week and explained that 70 hours a week is two FT jobs. Not simultaneous, but one after the other.

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There are MANY people out there with little to no ambition.

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And why is that?

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I went a step further than your 60 hrs. a week and explained that 70 hours a week is two FT jobs. Not simultaneous, but one after the other.

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No, you didn't. Try some honesty. You said 75 hours. I said sixty. Sixty is 40 (full time) plus 20 (part time). People do it all the time. Now if you want to call 75 hours two full time jobs, then fine. But I didn't say anything about 75 hours. I said sixty hours. Full time (40) plus part time (20).

Good grief.

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No, you didn't. Try some honesty. You said 75 hours. I said sixty. Sixty is 40 (full time) plus 20 (part time). People do it all the time. Now if you want to call 75 hours two full time jobs, then fine. But I didn't say anything about 75 hours. I said sixty hours. Full time (40) plus part time (20).

Good grief.

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And that's NOT two FT jobs!!!. One FT = 37.5. Two FT is 75. And 60 hrs. a week will NOT get him out of poverty.

Arguing about nothing again if you have a job you are lucky because many don't and urging people to have more than one is greed