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For weeks, Trump whipped up his far-right supporters with unfounded conspiracy theories about election fraud, then summoned them to DC for his "Save America" rally, promising them that "it will be wild". At the rally, he urged thousands to march on the Capitol, showing "strength" and "fight like hell" to keep the Democrats from "fraudulently taking over our country".Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Clearly, his behavior smacked of rebellion, insurrection, seditious conspiracy and incitement to a riot - take your pick.
You're the master of twisting words around on these pages. Your "not knowing how to respond" is just another of your evasions.Quote:
CBen, if you want to refer to something specific, then feel free to. I don't know how to respond to something like, "...that includes twisting things and arguing the toss."
There was Trump's call to the Georgia Secretary of State pressuring him to "find 11,780 votes" - the exact number he'd need to win the state. He openly threatened the secretary with a crime if he didn't accede to Trump's bogus claims of fraud.
People died because of Trump's incitement, hundreds have been arrested with more to come, even members of Congress are now believed to have been criminally involved. Trump will be facing civil and criminal, state and federal charges for the rest of his life - a fitting end to a man truly touched by evil.
If you see me twisting words, then point it out. Your general criticisms just come across as angry remarks that accomplish nothing.
Just like with the Bible, you cherry-pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Sorry you feel that way, but I think you simply don't like some of the verses I "pick". I would think that for every verse I present that you consider to be "cherry picking", I can find ten or more others that say the same thing. At some point the numbers become overwhelming.
But as I've said many times, when you feel that is the case, then point it out. These vague, generalized accusations just sound like the complaints of angry people.
Consider the context. Just because it's said ten times doesn't mean it has the meaning you think it does. The Bible is packed with poetry, history, allegories, parables, etc. and each fits into the context in some way.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
True of all Bible literalists. The trees always get in the way of their seeing the forest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Like I said, if you see a particular instance of that happening, then point it out. But honestly, I cannot point it out in the case of the two of you since you practically never quote the Bible. There is just this never ending appeal to some mystical "forest" that, I suspect, exists only in the minds of two people who simply don't want to accept the clear and plain teaching of the Bible. You certainly don't seem to be able to articulate that "forest" by using the Bible.Quote:
Consider the context. Just because it's said ten times doesn't mean it has the meaning you think it does. The Bible is packed with poetry, history, allegories, parables, etc. and each fits into the context in some way.
Here's one: The Garden of Eden story didn't actually happen. It's an allegory.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It's a figure of speech. I'm surprised someone who claims your credentials doesn't know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The forest is the big picture. The trees are the details. The big picture is the basic message of the Bible. The trees are the details that, taken as a whole, make up the message. When the trees (details alone without context) prevent you from seeing the forest (the Bible as a whole) you are missing the basic message.
Thank you, captain obvious. Still you cannot articulate that "forest" or point to any passages of scripture to support your view. And when a person puts "forest" in quotes (like that), it is an acknowledgment that it is being used to mean something other than a literal collection of trees. "I'm surprised someone who claims your credentials doesn't know that."Quote:
It's a figure of speech. I'm surprised someone who claims your credentials doesn't know that.
The forest is the big picture. The trees are the details. The big picture is the basic message of the Bible. The trees are the details that, taken as a whole, make up the message. When the trees (details alone without context) prevent you from seeing the forest (the Bible as a whole) you are missing the basic message.
An example of an opinion. However, Paul certainly believed it happened as did Jesus. There is, in fact, not one shred of support for your position from any author of the Bible. Rather troubling, don't you think??Quote:
Here's one: The Garden of Eden story didn't actually happen. It's an allegory.
Whoops. I forgot. You guys don't think you need the Bible to support your ideas about...the Bible.
Oh,yes, we do. This allegory (tree) is one of many that support the Bible's message (forest). I wonder if you know what that is. Hmm.... The Flood story is another allegory (tree), as is Jonah and the Great Fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You have not identified what is, in your view, the Bible's central message, so no one could have any idea if your supposed allegories, an idea that I will say (again) is supported nowhere in the Bible, support your supposed central message. And why am I not surprised at that state of affairs?
You don't KNOW the Bible's central message??? Wow!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You know what I said. You're not stupid. Be honest.
This is why any discussion with you is just an exercise in futility. You will go to any length to avoid actually saying anything of real substance due to, I think, your fear of having to answer any truly serious questions.Quote:
You have not identified what is, in your view, the Bible's central message
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
This is what I'm talking about, rather than addressing the entirety of the response you focus on one, or two, small elements.
This isn't conducive to an open discussion and just serves to get people's backs up.
If all you want to do is be objectionable, then you are firmly on that path.
Please post like the articulatable adult that you are rather than some spoilt child that has been found with their hand in the cookie jar.
It isn't "in my view"; it IS the Bible's central message.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
from Matthew 22: Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself.
Those are the two greatest commandments, so that's a good answer.Quote:
from Matthew 22: Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself.
I would suggest a passage from Colossians. "13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Or we could go with this passage in Ephesians 1. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9making knownc to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
How would you put it in your own words? Honest question.
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