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already in motion with the declassification of documents . A trial ;a truth commission as I already suggested . The best way is the old fashion way . One by one move up the ladder with indictments and let each of them rat out the other . There is already enough evidence to charge Comey's underlings

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From Athos. So you don't have a full accounting yet. Just a desire to take down those you disagree with. That's what I thought.

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Still hoping to see a full accounting from Tomder.

Dufus underlings have already been charged and convicted. More to come? What a long line we have.

read it again ....

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He should be charged and then pardoned after there is a full accounting of what he and his administration did .... like Nixon

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I never suggested that I had a full accounting . The documentary I suggested ,the book by Lee Smith it is primarily based on , and the investigative work by John Durham and by Congressman Devin Nunes have paved the way for a full accounting . But there are still some gaps . What did the emperor know and when did he know it ? Clearly he was involved . But did he lead it or was he fed misinformation by Coomey ,and Brennan(who is most likely the real ring leader ) . The one undeniable fact is that this cabal misused their office and deceived the FISA court to permit them to spy on the Trump campaign and later orchestrate a coup attempt. What should happen to them ? Certainly nothing less than what happened to General Flynn. At the very least all of them have been lying to the Congressional committees and to the American public .

No one insisted on having a "full accounting" PRIOR to the impeachment hearings, so why the double standard? All of this is based on the idea that, "Where there's smoke there's fire." There sure is a lot of smoke in this case.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

read it again ....
I never suggested that I had a full accounting .

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Ok, sorry, I missed that.

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Congressman Devin Nunes have paved the way for a full accounting . But there are still some gaps

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Nunes is a disaster. "Still some gaps" - no doubt.

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The one undeniable fact is that this cabal misused their office and deceived the FISA court to permit them to spy on the Trump campaign and later orchestrate a coup attempt.

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Please provide proof of the undeniable fact that a "cabal" orchestrated a coup attempt. I'm aware of the FISA warrant being declared invalid.

General Flynn is guilty as hell. He's already confessed in open court.

The circumstance surrounding Flynn's "confession" reek of coercion .

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The circumstance surrounding Flynn's "confession" reek of coercion .

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Well known truth.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

The circumstance surrounding Flynn's "confession" reek of coercion .

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I can't believe a smart guy like you tomder is buying into that ridiculous bowl of nonsense.

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The circumstance surrounding Flynn's "confession" reek of coercion .



I can't believe a smart guy like you tomder is buying into that ridiculous bowl of nonsense.

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What is increasingly clear is that there was no basis for a belief that Flynn made false statements to FBI interviewers This was supported by the interviewing FBI agents, who concluded that Flynn had not made intentional misstatements, just failures of recollection, which are common. Under federal law, a false statement made to investigators is actionable ONLY if it is material to the matter under investigation. If there was no basis to believe Flynn had committed a crime, any false statements allegedly made by Flynn when he was questioned in January 2017 were immaterial.

The FBI withheld this information violating the government’s duty to disclose exculpatory evidence.

Inspector Javert Mueller did indeed coerce a confession out of Flynn by threatening prosecution of his son. His son working for Flynn's security firm allegedly failed to register with the government as a foreign agent This is a dubious allegation that was rarely handled as a criminal offense before Mueller’s probe. It was also selectively applied as Republicans were charged or threatened to be charged while Democrats like Tony Podesta were given a pass.

All this stuff is being litigated so stay tuned. Get popcorn since everybody has a lawyer. What's telling is you guys make a case and the dufus for all his corruption and shade throwing not one charge has been filed...NOT ONE!

Except against those dufus dudes and the dufus runs the government...for now anyway. Arrest somebody already! Or hold your noses and vote for the dufus to NOT go to jail. All that right wing hollering and flailing about is the smoke we are seeing. Hope you don't burn yourselves too bad trying to burn us liberals.

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All that right wing hollering and flailing about is the smoke we are seeing.

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Stay tuned for the fire.

Liar, liar dufus pants on fire.

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.3632...0,075,f.u1.jpg

We shall see. One reason the dems are lying so freely in this election is a fear that if Trump is elected, then their misdeeds will be brought to light.

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What is increasingly clear is that there was no basis for a belief that Flynn made false statements to FBI interviewers

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Flynn pled guilty to lying three times in open court. His defense now is "I lied when I said I lied".

Flynn admitted to repeatedly lying to the Justice Department about his work as an agent for the government of Turkey — work that he continued, and concealed, while he was working for Trump. Part of his plea deal was that prosecutors would not pursue those charges.

Since he wants to change his plea, it would appear that he can now be charged for those other crimes. He should be allowed to plead not guilty and go to trial.

As Trump would put it, Flynn is a traitor "the likes of which the world has never seen".

Peaceful protestors at it again.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/violent-c...h-knife-report

Putin leads the way! Putin?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

The solution to the dufus and repubs

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

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The solution to the dufus and repubs

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

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Agreed!

umm no . The hardball radical Repubs set the stage for a resurgence of racist Democrats . When their power inevitably declined ;reconstruction ended ,and Jim Crow was institutionalized .(see the 1877 compromise ) .
Had Republicans stuck with Lincoln's plan of reconciliation it is probable that the South would've reentered the Union without another almost century of Southern resentment . Lincoln’s flexibility, pragmatism, and superior political skills with Congress would have solved Reconstruction with far less difficulty. But after his assassination there was little to stop the radical Republicans . They nearly got away with a political impeachment . As it was they had no problem dominating Congress. But they in fact set back racial relations as a result .

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They nearly got away with a political impeachment .

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Who does that remind you of?

Now Justice Kavanaugh was opposed by the holier than thou crowd because he supposedly watched a supposed sexual assault when he was a teen-ager, an assault which was never reported to the cops and for which there was but scant evidence. Jacob Blake, on the other hand, actually DID sexually and physically assault a woman as an adult man. He is a major anti-Semite as well, and yet Kamala Harris says she is "proud" of him. How can anyone defend that? How can you be proud of a sexual predator racist?