Let's get some things straight:

1) Communist China is a threat to at least 75% of the world (the non-Chinese part), U.S. and Australia include: If you wait around for the ChiComs to provide a gold-plated "DIRECT THREAT" announcement, you won't see it.

2) Regardless of WHO is the POTUS, at any given time, the U.S. is the "GOOD GUY" in the world: If the U.S. didn't exist, no freedoms of any sort would exist in this world. The U.S. does a lot of good for a lot of nations around the world.....Anyone who tries to put rain on the U.S.'s positions as a source of global help, financially and otherwise, is just not wanting to see the real picture.

3) With Crimea, Russia "took back" an area of the Ukraine that is ethnically, culturally, and speaks Russian: Crimea was "GIVEN" to the Ukraine in 1958 by Kruschev: Say what you will, but Crimea has always been RUSSIAN.

4) Cannot understand the left's fascination with the Ukraine: The Ukrainian Government is FAR RIGHT WING....some even call it Fascist.....but the left is drooling over it like its a darling socialist state of some kind.....this is a paradox.

5) I hear what your selling, I'm just not buying: Through all of the NEW TRUMP SCANDAL, I am hearing about the ghostlike, omnipresent "Whistleblower," who heard a story from someone and then heard another story from someone else who heard a story from someone else, and so on and so forth: This is hearsay bullsh&$ and its inadmissible evidence in Court.....If you want to say that this isn't a court proceeding, do so at your own risk because it sounds like you are skirting the law and trying to "CONVICT" someone without due process (i.e. sounds like a chicken sh&$ process as it is generally viewed by most people).....this kind of crap usually doesn't turn out well for the accusers, particularly if they aren't man enough to come out of the shadows and show their face/s. John Dean came out of the shadows and did nothing to endear himself at all...eventually became one of the most hated men in America because he appeared to be a treacherous, back-stabbing SOB.

6) When Congressmen stand up in front of the nations and exclaim that "I took an Oath To The Constitution" then why doesn't that same bunch in Congress follow the Constitution by taking a VOTE IN CONGRESS TO BEGIN THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AS DIRECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION? I think I know why: Because, if they vote, their names are tied to the vote....and its one thing to talk about this stuff when you have no skin in the game.....taking a vote makes you put your skin in the game.....GUTLESS WONDERS!

Yes, there are a lot of gutless wonders in the world and many reside in political parties because there they can be protected for acting for the cause. But you kid yourself, the US is no longer the good guy, hasn't been for yonks. It is a nation that actively interferes in the affairs of other nations. The whistleblower is another gutless wonder, hidden away and yet this is a person who must have been in a position of trust.

So all this straightness you claim is just rhetoric, stuff repeated over and over until someone calls it truth. That Trump is not an ideal person for the presidency where great power is exercised is obvious, but what does his ascendency tell us about the US, there are a lot of gutless wonders hiding in the shadows, because in the real world a person like this should not have succeeded but he did, and therefore impeachment is just another cowards castle

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Your hatefulness gets tiresome.

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Not nearly as yours. Mine is very limited. Yours encompasses most of humanity as you gleefully consign the majority to eternal punishment in hell. At least that happens only in your twisted mind.

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I can assure you that I've never been in a kitchen too hot for me.

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In time, in time......

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Proof positive that you are no better than us. Maybe that's the lesson we all should learn, and strive to do better.

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Well said. I can go along with that.

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So all this straightness you claim is just rhetoric, stuff repeated over and over until someone calls it truth. That Trump is not an ideal person for the presidency where great power is exercised is obvious, but what does his ascendency tell us about the US, there are a lot of gutless wonders hiding in the shadows, because in the real world a person like this should not have succeeded but he did, and therefore impeachment is just another cowards castle.

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You do realize we are just saying the same things over and over? You feel that way about Trump, and I feel that way about Obama. I can see how a person would criticize Trump. For that matter, I criticize Trump, but it's your utter refusal to say even the slightest critical comment about Obama, HC, or other dems that is bothersome. Dirt is dirt, no matter if it clings to a dem or a repub. I just think your criticism needs to become non-partisan. You falsely accused me of promoting cruelty, and yet you enthusiastically supported two liberal dems who are big-time supporters of abortion. There is nothing more cruel than tearing a living human being apart, one arm or leg at a time, and yet you seem to be just fine with that. It's that element of your belief system that is completely puzzling to me. Maybe you could take some time to explain it.

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2) Regardless of WHO is the POTUS, at any given time, the U.S. is the "GOOD GUY" in the world: If the U.S. didn't exist, no freedoms of any sort would exist in this world. The U.S. does a lot of good for a lot of nations around the world.....Anyone who tries to put rain on the U.S.'s positions as a source of global help, financially and otherwise, is just not wanting to see the real picture.

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Pretty good comment, Vac.

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You do realize we are just saying the same things over and over?

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must you state the obvious all the time

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must you state the obvious all the time

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If none of us stated the obvious, then we'd have next to nothing to say.

and that differs, How?

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and that differs, How?

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The key point was my use of the pronoun "us" versus your usage of "you". In other words, welcome to the club.

Hard to frame yourself as a good guy when you have a scandal ridden dufus who admits shaking down a smaller nation for his own political gain during our elections. Hard to claim how good you are when you defend dictators and tyrants and badmouth your own long held allies. I mean on the global stage this dufus did cast doubt on his own government assessments, and took Putin's side no matter what he has done. This isn't just one instance, setting up and assassinating an American journalist, forgiven and forgotten, business as usual.

Who the leader of the free world is does matter, and we screwed up our own credibility. Puffing up our egos with past glory is sort of INSANE! Bullying other nations is CRIMINAL!

Talaniman: Forget about the current Administration for a moment, put Trump aside: The U.S. has and does provide tremendous funding and assistance to nations arounds the world...that cannot be contested....and that has happened under all Administrations. We are humanitarians....If you know one nation that has done more than the U.S., please name it. The U.S. isn't obligated to do one damn thing for anyone other than our own people...and that is true, also....so, whatever we do, it is because we do it of our own benevolent desire to do so, no one is holding a gun to our head. Current Administration aside, the U.S. is still #1 in the world at helping people around the world.....In our DNA, the U.S. is unlike any other country in this world: We resist being "Bad", its just not us! We aren't going to produce and we will not allow a Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Napoleon, Khan or any other crazy SOB to drive us to become anything other than what we have always been: The U.S. is EXCEPTIONAL in the history of the world.....no one man is going to change that, either!

You know, Talaniman: In 5 or 6 years, max, Trump will be out of the Whitehouse...the U.S. will still be here....we will still be a Republic with democratic principles....the sun will still rise in the morning in the East and set in the West...and life will still go on. At most, Trump, in the big scheme of things, is only here for a short time.....WHATEVER WILL BE, WILL BE!

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Hard to frame yourself as a good guy when you have a scandal ridden dufus who admits shaking down a smaller nation for his own political gain during our elections. Hard to claim how good you are when you defend dictators and tyrants and badmouth your own long held allies. I mean on the global stage this dufus did cast doubt on his own government assessments, and took Putin's side no matter what he has done.

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1. I have not tried to frame myself as "a good guy".
2. You had your own "scandal ridden dufus" and never raised so much as a whisper to oppose him, and you sure won't do it now, so you might as well drop the "holier than thou" song and dance. It gets tiresome.
3. It all comes down to policies. Obama's pro-abortion stance, his enormous budget deficits and anemic economic growth, and his ineffective foreign policy evidently suited you well. The Benghazi disaster and subsequent campaign of lying in order to get reelected was worse than anything I've seen with Trump.

And like I said earlier, we have reached the point of just repeating the same statements over and over. There is absolutely nothing new. Neither of us seems to be able to say anything to effect change in the other. It's all getting kind of old.

It must be stated though that despite our views it is currently before the public as dems attempt to make the case against the dufus so our opinions about whatever is a moot point as we are definitely deal with that and not Mr. Obama. Your horse appears dead, and we have begun beating ours.

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That one made me laugh. You put it just about right.

Ok, have not read all the thread, but if the whistle blower is CIA, then no he is not a whistle blower but he is following orders of someone. CIA do so many illegal things all the time and have a code of not talking about it. So no CIA would ever tell on a President unless someone higher in power is controlling this

Welocme, Fr. Always nice to have another voice in this discussion.

Fr Chuck: You aren't suggesting George Soros has something to do with it, are you?

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Fr Chuck: You aren't suggesting George Soros has something to do with it, are you?

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No he is suggesting someone high in the CIA, etc

With all the bad mouthing by the dufus of everybody, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody had enough.

Talaniman: Dufus or no, he is the Commander In Chief and that is sacred: Anyone who would get a paycheck at the Federal level and purposely impugn the POTUS, WHOEVER THE POTUS IS AT THE TIME, needs to be thrown out and possibly see jail bars....cannot continue to operate this way.

So Hunter Biden gets paid millions of dollars for doing...nothing? All of you who seem to be so skilled in reading between the lines on Trump's phone call, can you read between the lines on that one? Biden, as VP, was prohibited from taking money from foreign entities, so he instead sends his son to rake it in. Sound OK to you? And now we know that Biden lied about discussing that business deal with his son. As it is being reported, "'I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings,” Biden said, pointing the finger at President Trump. “I know Trump deserves to be investigated. He is violating every basic norm of a president. You should be asking him why is he on the phone with a foreign leader, trying to intimidate a foreign leader. You should be looking at Trump.'

Hunter Biden told The New Yorker previously that he and his father had spoken “just once” about his work in Ukraine."

And now a picture has surfaced of the Bidens playing golf with...guess who. Two reps from the Ukranian business which employed Hunter. And they didn't talk business?? Right. So, all of you who are howling for Trump's head, let's see if you really believe in the rule of law and in the ethical behavior of government officials.

None of this is coming from second hand sources. It is all right in front of us for all to see.