Perhaps we have seen more than you, ministers of state enriching themselves, state premiers resigning rather than be impeached as I said you find these things in many places. We have some classic cases running at the moment.

Have you noted that we have moved to strip nationality from dual nationals fighting for terrorist organisations, the Muslims are very unhappy, the next move will be to strip nationality from Australians who are stupid enough to get involved

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-32955016

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Perhaps we have seen more than you, ministers of state enriching themselves, state premiers resigning rather than be impeached as I said you find these things in many places. We have some classic cases running at the moment.

Have you noted that we have moved to strip nationality from dual nationals fighting for terrorist organisations, the Muslims are very unhappy, the next move will be to strip nationality from Australians who are stupid enough to get involved

Unease grows over new Australian dual citizenship rules - BBC News

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I think that is a damned good step to take. We should do that as well. They do that with Former Nazi's....they should do it with Terrorists and the wannabe terrorists when they are discovered.

Yes this has wide reaching implications, just giving support in any form could get you thrown out, Apparently ASIO is trolling the files compiling the list of the first batch. I wonder if they will include some recent "migrants" who have been involved in various problems. If ASIO throws all these people out I wonder who they will watch then? We have an interesting TV program running at the moment Persons of Interest, some insights into survelliance projects of yesteryear, mainly communist sympathisers and aggitators

Talk about things coming back to haunt you.

Who would have thought that the humble jeep would have mutated into deadly weapon capable of raining death, destruction and defeat upon the Iraqi army, but now we know. Faced with the onslaught of the Humvee they cannot stand and of course these weapons were supplied by the US, probably looking for a home for their surplus equipment and captured at Mosul. Apparently nothing short of anti tank weapons can stop them presuming that shiia militia have anti tank weapons. This takes suicide bombing to a new level well above the humble truck used in previous assaults. We have been waiting for the battle of Ramadi to commence but now the reason for the delay is apparent. Dodging bullets is one thing, dodging Humvees another

The US is locked into tokenism when it comes to battling Daesh

US strategy on Iraq 'not yet complete' - Obama - BBC News

Obama has made it clear there is no clear strategy and like it isn't as if the problem arrived yesterday. If you can't get a strategy in a year in the case of Iraq or four years in the case of Syria, then it is fairly clear the Obama won't be able to point to his legacy of defeating Daesh in Iraq or perhaps anywhere else. It seems the dashing military leaders have all retired or taken more lucerative postings and there just might be a vacuum with the CIC his own advisor. Just when you need an Eisenhower you don't have one and Obama is earning that peace prize

His strategy is to play golf until his term is up. His Generals have given him multiple options to defeat IS . He choses not to execute them.

Lt. Col Ralph Peters (Ret.)said it best : “The reason we don’t (have a strategy) is because Obama wants the impossible.” .. “He wants to defeat the Islamic State, but he doesn’t want to hurt anyone. He doesn’t want collateral damage. He doesn’t want civilian casualties. You can’t do it! And this clown coo-coo-land that Obama and his Paladins live in — it’s so dangerous to us all — on such a wide range of issues. But if you are unwilling to fight with no-holds-barred, with an enemy who’s going to fight with no-holds-barred, the enemy with no-holds-barred is going to get the better of you despite the technology, despite all your wealth.”

Sounds like the land of seal team 6 and assassination

no it's the land of "they can't have victory parades with their armored SUVs down the streets of Ramadi without getting a missile up their tail pipes. " It's the land of "they should duck when they hear or see American planes in the area. " It's the land where their leaders don't sleep so well at night wondering if tonight is the night they become rendered pink mist. It's the land where their ratline of supplies is cut off.

Sounds like the land of wishful thinking to me, the only time they see an anti tank missile is when they attack, and where are those reports of those convoys being taken out by air strikes. Let me just ramble for a moment, 2300 Humvees in Mosul and yet they are being used as a weapon in Ramadi and other places. 2,300 Humvees that is a big hard to miss parking lot. Someone has been asleep there or are the weapons just too sophisticated. Do you think a few thousand jihadists go hungry when they have a population to exploit? Not likely. They have been fighting around an oil refinery for months, not much resolve to actually get the job done, mustn't destroy the precious infurstructure

Face it Tom. Obama is asleep just like his sleepy predecessor. There is no intention to do anything about this situation beyond posturing and photo ops. I'm sure he has decided that Iran can carry this one while he makes appropriate noises

yup exactly what I wrote

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So if you have no answers why not stay out of the conflict?

At least he has stopped planes from flying into american skyscrapers, which is more than can be said for his predecessor.

Strange sense of history, GWB stop the planes by bombing the crap out of Afghanistan. What Obama has done is withdraw

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Strange sense of history, GWB stop the planes by bombing the crap out of Afghanistan. What Obama has done is withdraw

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Bush has been gone since 2009, and after more than a decade, you are supposed to go home.

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And... how has that affected the USA's safety on their soil? Other than prevent needless soldier deaths.

What it has done karma is remove the immediate threat and leave the muslims fighting among themselves, a bit of unintended divide and conquer. You must remove this paranoia, these groups have had limited ability to mount attacks and too much credence has been given to them. New York was spectacular and a shock, mainly because the US was so unprepared but what it was about was US presence in the ME principally Saudi Arabia. You failed to see that in the OBL mentality you were defiling his homeland with the presence of infidels

Maybe the closet muslim Obama understands this

Cool, then we agree.

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Bush has been gone since 2009, and after more than a decade, you are supposed to go home.

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we've been in Germany and Japan since 1945 . We remain in South Korea .

Yes Obama seems to be the only one who has grasped the significance of "yankee go home". I understand why you remain in three countries you have conquered, why you gave up Iraq and Afghanistan so easily eludes me but the weight of empire and history is heavy and the cost emmence

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me too . we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory . To be honest ,I think it's time we give up defending German beer halls ....and the Japanese are able and should be willing to contribute more to their defense .