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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You're paying attention or you haven't been reading - yes, they can and yes they've been doing it for a while.

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So you think... I actually know how this works because I've done some of it... and it doesn't get done without a LOT of paperwork and red tape. Again... contrary to what reporters who don't know 10% of what they write about might say.

What's that saying again... GIGO (garbage in, garbage out)... the press has been caught in too many lies and fabrications for them to claim any high road. Or to be assumed they got it right... absent any real lproof.

They pick what they use to make it sound like what they want everyone to think... while ignoring and burying info that contradicts what they are pushing.


Sometimes they get it right... Like The National Enquirer did with John Edwards... anyone remember how bad the rest of the press went after them for that? And how wrong everyone else turned out to be?

Its not rare either... they rarely get it 100% right... heck half the time they are lucky to get it 50% right.

THe average reporter knows as much about things outside of the journalism business as the average person knows about Neurosurgury.

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So you think..

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No, it's not what I think - it's all over the news - do you live under a rock??

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No, it's not what I think - it's all over the news - do you live under a rock????

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You are a fool if you believe everything some reporter says.

THey report what they want you to believe.. or at least what their editor wants you to believe... its not about what really took place.

Like Rathergate... with CBS "News" and a completely fabricated story that never happened as just one example.

If they knew half as much as they think they know.. they could get a better paying job in those other fields.

THose who can, do... those who can't, teach... or Report.

Haha, you're funny. The denial is strong with this. And your sense of conspiracy is high.

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haha, you're funny. The denial is strong with this. And your sense of conspiracy is high.

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Its not denial when I've seen hundreds of stories misreported... or flat out changed so much they never happened as reported... some from the raw data of the event... a lot of them first hand.

But then liberals are sheeple... they believe everything they are told to believe.

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they believe everything they are told to believe.

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Apparently you are unfamiliar with the concept of conservatives finding a talking point and repeating it ad nauseum, typically without doing any of their own background research. We see it here all the time. Same with you and your "secrets" that you can't reveal. Hehe.

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Apparently you are unfamiliar with the concept of conservatives finding a talking point and repeating it ad nauseum, typically without doing any of their own background research. We see it here all the time. Same with you and your "secrets" that you can't reveal. Hehe.

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You are the delusional one here...

Lefty reporters all use the same terminology and choice of words... something impossible if they wrote their own stories. They are recorded doing it every day...

But then... the left really cares nothing about reality... they only care about their fantasy.

Privacy is a tricky issue, I don't want the government snooping on my internet searches or phone calls, but if my neighbor is looking up child porn or how to make pressure cooker bombs, I think there should be a way for the authorities to know about it. Is there any way to have a middle ground where innocent people have privacy but troublemakers can still be caught?

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Privacy is a tricky issue, I don't want the government snooping on my internet searches or phone calls, but if my neighbor is looking up child porn or how to make pressure cooker bombs, I think there should be a way for the authorities to know about it. Is there any way to have a middle ground where innocent people have privacy but troublemakers can still be caught?

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If you understood how this actually works... its not as intrusive as some people think.

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If you understood how this actually works...its not as intrusive as some people think.

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I guess I missed the sarcasm font for this one?

It is totally intrusive and wide open for abuse.

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I guess I missed the sarcasm font for this one?

It is totally intrusive and wide open for abuse.

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How... computers look for key words... things people simply do not routinely discuss... they then flag your calls to see who you've been calling and they get warrants to probe further... I will not go into any more detail than that...

There aren't millions of people listening in a call center to every single call made hoping to get juicy ones on their shift.

Okay so let's give them some juice how about attack... where do you live... Washington... state football team...

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okay so let's give them some juice how about attack..............where do you live............ Washington.......... state football team..............

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I think I hear someone knocking on your door right now.

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I think I hear someone knocking on your door right now.

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He's in Australia... they don't even need to knock... they all but disarmed the population.

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He's in Australia...they don't even need to knock...they all but disarmed the population.

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This is of course absolute nonsense and shows a complete lack of understanding. We were never armed in the first place. The overwhelming majority of Australians don't want to be armed. It's a non-issue in Australia.

Excepting for the Shooters and Fishers Party tut you remember them they want to take over the national parks for recreational shooting, but I personally haven't found it necessary to be armed since I was a teenager. There really is nothing to shoot but the odd bunny. No, we are a civilised society unlike some I could name

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No, we are a civilised society unlike some I could name

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You forgot to engage the sarcasm font.

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How......computers look for key words...things people simply do not routinely discuss....they then flag your calls to see who you've been calling and they get warrants to probe further...I will not go into any more detail than that....

There aren't millions of people listening in a call center to every single call made hoping to get juicy ones on their shift.

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I know how it works. But it is way way beyond what your trying to portray here. This isn't project echelon anymore. Its gone beyond that. The server farms they are wanting to build to handle it is just mind boggling. It is absolutely overreach and a violation of the fourth amendment.

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Fourth Amendment - U.S. Constitution - FindLaw

I heard Australia's gun laws were much more strict after the Port Arthur massacre in 1996.

I bet they're monitoring this website, what with all the code words we use here and the threat us wingers pose.