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Originally Posted by excon

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Hmmmm... Hemp is a better biofuel crop. It produces MORE energy per acre than corn does. It doesn't compete with food. It's legal to grow it here, and the loadies THROW the stalks away, which is where the fiber (and the MONEY) is..

Anybody wanna go into the biofuels bidness? I'll bet we can get some Obama money? And, I PROMISE, I won't smoke it up.

excon

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No thanks, I think I'm going to open up a medical marijuana shop in Colorado.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Hmmmm... Hemp is a better biofuel crop. It produces MORE energy per acre than corn does. It doesn't compete with food. It's legal to grow it here, and the loadies THROW the stalks away, which is where the fiber (and the MONEY) is..

Anybody wanna go into the biofuels bidness? I'll bet we can get some Obama money? And, I PROMISE, I won't smoke it up.

excon

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Got no problem with that once someone can prove to me that the conversion of the plant to the fuel doesn't consume more energy than it produces.

I'm not opposed to biofuels . When there is a legit market for them ,I'm all in . I like the Brazil solution . They have lots of sugar cane ;and it's much more efficient to convert sugar to ethanol than corn. But my favorite biofuel potential is converting algae .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

got no problem with that once someone can prove to me that the conversion of the plant to the fuel doesn't consume more energy than it produces.

I'm not opposed to biofuels . When there is a legit market for them ,I'm all in . I like the Brazil solution . They have lots of sugar cane ;and it's much more efficent to convert sugar to ethanol than corn. But my favorite biofuel potential is converting algae .

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Biofuel is generally a zero sum gain. There are occasions such as begasse where a valuable resource would otherwise be wasted or in the timber industry where there is a considerable resource available in offcuts, etc but these are specialist situations which only produce a fraction of the energy requirement of the industry. Growing substances to convert to fuel will ultimately prove to be a waste of the land resource where food will be required.

Agreed... I think for the most part ,they will be a niche industry . Some are better than others .I'm still interested in biofuel from algae potential . There's lots of algae available to harvest ,and it's fairly easy to farm. If you are worried about CO2 ;it is a zero sum game... Burning algae as fuel releases CO2 ;and growing algae consumes it. The claim is that algae yields between 10 and 100 times more fuel per unit area than other biofuel crops. There would be comparatively many fewer acres of space used to produce it compared to the thousands of acres used to grow corn for ethanol . And few people ,except for some health nuts ,consume algae on a regular basis.

I just get to the point where I am past big agribusiness

If it works, big business will be there . That's just reality .And the reality is that algae biofuel is potentially a $50 billion dollar industry . Exxon Mobil is already heavily invested .which tells me there could be a future in it .

Texas seems determined to make abortion next to impossible in spite of support from pro-choice groups. The country is moving forward on gay marriage, but has been moving backwards on abortion. Hard to believe the pro choice movement is losing ground in so many states 40 years after Roe vs Wade.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

if it works, big business will be there . That's just reality .And the reality is that algae biofuel is potentially a $50 billion dollar industry . Exxon Mobil is already heavily invested .which tells me there could be a future in it .

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What you are saying is there is a future in continuing with the current level of technology rather than moving to all electric cars which would see the oil companies out of business

Don't get me started about electric cars . All they do is use carbon fuels to generate electric power that gets transferred to the batteries. The only difference is that the fuel is coming from a power plant to the car instead of an processing plant to the gas station.

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Texas seems determined to make abortion next to impossible in spite of support from pro-choice groups. The country is moving forward on gay marriage, but has been moving backwards on abortion. Hard to believe the pro choice movement is losing ground in so many states 40 years after Roe vs Wade.

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Some things like reducing the number of children killed in infanticide is not a "moving backward " proposition.

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Some things like reducing the number of children killed in infanticide is not a "moving backward " proposition.

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But guns are good, right?

Unrelated and irrelevant to the discussion.

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unrelated and irrelevant to the discussion.

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said by people who see an embarassing-to-them point about to be made.

Nope said by someone who understands the right to protect life.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

nope said by someone who understands the right to protect life.

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Then exploit it when its born, till it dies. The only thing worse is a dead beat dad.

I am neither a dead beat dad or promote what they do . So your answer for dead beat dads is to wack their kids ? Nice .

You whack 'em after they are born so what's the difference?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Then exploit it when its born, till it dies. The only thing worse is a dead beat dad.

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Like using them as government shills for Obamacare or props for gun control?

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You whack 'em after they are born so what's the difference?

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Not me...

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Like using them as government shills for Obamacare or props for gun control?

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