Obama's solutions are the same ole boiler plate pablum that hasn't worked since Camp David. Get the Israeli's to cede for vague promises of future Palestinian good will. What is missing in the process is that there has to be a credible peace partner at the other end of the table . That's why Camp David worked ;Sadat wanted peace. The Palestinians have NEVER demonstrated that .

Israel doesn't want peace, it wants land.

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Israel doesn't want peace, it wants land.

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yeah ,that's why you see them invading all their neighbors with rocket barrages .

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yeah ,that's why you see them invading all their neighbors with rocket barrages .

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They are more sophisticated than that Tom they build walls but I agree the Palestinians negotiate from a position of weakness therefore they negotiate with rockets and suicide bombers. The Israeli's have no need of these they have jet aircraft. When the Palestinians realise they have been conned all these years and there will be no "Palestinian State" there will a blood bath. It is impossible for the West bank and Gaza to be one State with corridors through Israel, that thinking didn't work in 1948 and it will not work now. Gaza should resign itself to being a new Singapore, what a lesson in creating a small non violent state. Small states don't need more land, they can build upward, what they need is peace

Clete ,Golda Meir is quoted as saying : 'Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us'.

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Clete ,Golda Meir is quoted as saying : 'Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us'.

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Wow, that quote could be applied to the conservatives in the US.

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Clete ,Golda Meir is quoted as saying : 'Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us'.

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Yes great idea Tom so to stop the fighting you want a cultural shift. If the events of the last few days have taught us anything they have taught us that the culture has shifted to the extreme and ideas of love are out the window, we had women here demonstrating their love of their children by having them placard carrying in a riot and what did the placard say; Peace, no it said BEHEAD. Their idea of peace is when their enemies are dead and the west just doesn't get it

So then you basically agree with Romney about the prospects of a settlement. .

The noisy ones get the headlines and the rest are at home or work if they have it. Hard to judge a new nation by the noisy locals. I mean its hardly 7 million people that's throwing rocks. No nation has ever had a smooth transition from dictator to voters. Neither will the arab spring countries.

Tom I didn't say he wasn't expressing a realistic point of view on the problem, you and I both know there is only one solution, not one that is acceptable to anyone, but he was niaive to say it