Ask Me Help Desk - Let's talk racism

So everybody else is full of BS except you? Or just conservatives? Or just the Tea party?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

So everybody else is full of BS except you? Or just conservatives? Or just the Tea party?

I never implied anything close to that. Clete's answer and the faux outrage over mythical racist code words definitely qualify.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Sarcastic yes, but the rest of that sentence is utter nonsense. The only thing you omitted from that screed commonly uttered by condscending liberals on blogs everywhere, was telling me I'm "projecting."

Please, don't bother with the diagnoses. You really aren't very good at it and I know what I'm doing and where I'm going with my responses. You don't.

That was my point, I don't know where you are going with your responses. Isn't part of expressing your opinion, getting others to understand your point of view?
Here you go again, just dismissing it with some line about the usual liberal.. blah blah.
That is exactly the type of response given when you have nothing real to say.
That being said, I am not a "liberal" or a racist for that matter. So, whatever point you are trying to make is lost on me. But then, you seem very straight-lined when it comes to party behavior. Things aren't so black in white. (Hey, that's a pun! Ha.)

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

What tactic is that?

Give it some thought... it will come to you.

LOL, being from Texas, the southwest you should know all the code words of the racists. Maybe you are younger than I thought or live in isolation, but trust me, not only do they exist but are still prevalent.

Ever visit Mississippi, or Alabama? You cannot just dismiss the experiences of others because you don't see it. But I believe in people and think the are better than there hates and prejudices, but racism is a much used tool for elections from Nixon's southern strategy, to Reagan's welfare queens in pink cadillacs to Willie Horten by the first Bush.

Yes there are code words and dog whistles in 2012 whether you care to believe it or not!

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Give it some thought...it will come to you.

Go ahead, explain it to us.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

How's this, can you guys hearing the dog whistles just tell us up front what all these code words are at once instead of adding to the list as it suits you?

I already have "golf", "welfare", “holding down the fort”, "state's rights", “entitlement society”, "food stamps", "founding fathers", “old-fashioned American values” and the latest, "Chicago."

What else sets off your magic decoder rings?

I don't know why it is so hard to understand . Every one of the words/phrases has been linked by Dems or their flunkies at MSNBC to racism branding every Conservate /Republic/Tea Party member .

Maybe it is deflection .After all yesterday (before they made their stunning reversal today on the Convention floor for the sake salvaging their relation with their Jewish and "bitter clinger "constituency),we learned that the progressive Democrats are anti-semitic atheists .
Or maybe they are deflecting their own inherent racism .After all ;they got a clown they consider an icon speaking in prime time tonight who only 4 years ago said to Teddy Kennedy that in the good ole days " Obama would be carrying our bags " . They have VP who said "You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking."

Doing a little head shaking there Tom

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Originally Posted by Magpie95

That was my point, I don't know where you are going with your responses.

It's quite simple, I wanted clete's reaction before proceeding. It's a thread, it typically continues and being my thread I feel quite comfortable getting there how I want to get there.

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Isn't part of expressing your opinion, getting others to understand your point of view?

I have my methods.

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Here you go again, just dismissing it with some line about the usual liberal.. blah blah.That is exactly the type of response given when you have nothing real to say.

As opposed to offering a psychological diagnosis of someone you know nothing about? I was on subject with clete and liberals do as exactly as I said on liberal blogs.

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That being said, I am not a "liberal" or a racist for that matter.

Ok, I didn't say you were - I pointed out a fact.

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So, whatever point you are trying to make is lost on me. But then, you seem very straight-lined when it comes to party behavior. Things aren't so black in white. (Hey, that's a pun! Ha.)

As I said, you know nothing about me... and it's obvious. You are as wrong about me as all those libs and media types are about Republicans being racist. And that's my point.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

LOL, being from Texas, the southwest you should know all the code words of the racists. Maybe you are younger than I thought or live in isolation, but trust me, not only do they exist but are still prevalent.

Ever visit Mississippi, or Alabama? You cannot just dismiss the experiences of others because you don't see it. But I believe in people and think the are better than there hates and prejudices, but racism is a much used tool for elections from Nixon's southern strategy, to Reagan's welfare queens in pink cadillacs to Willie Horten by the first Bush.

Yes there are code words and dog whistles in 2012 whether you care to believe it or not!

Dude, I live in a Hispanic neighborhood, I am the minority. Amarillo is anything but isolated and we're quite diverse. No one said racism doesn't exist but we've had that talk, you use that straw man repeatedly and buy into this dog whistle crap to avoid a real discussion and perpetuate the problem. You don't want solve racism.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

..its a typical Liberal tactic.....and its one Needkarma uses every day.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Go ahead, explain it to us.

Still waiting. I see you're busy on the site answering questions about women pregnancies, surely you can answer this one.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

It's quite simple, I wanted clete's reaction before proceeding. It's a thread, it typically continues and being my thread I feel quite comfortable getting there how I want to get there.

I would agree with that.

The way you have worded the question you can't lose.

Tut

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Still waiting. I see you're busy on the site answering questions about women pregnancies, surely you can answer this one.

He's purposely avoiding answering. Not surprising.

You can't solve racism Speech all you can do is build tolerance. As a fellow I knew once said, the longer you are with him the whiter he becomes, so time takes away the problem. I can look from afar because my society doesn't have the same racial problems yours does, it has a whole different set

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I can look from afar because my society doesn't have the same racial problems yours does, it has a whole different set

I find that hard to believe after you called Asian laborers 'coolies ' .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I find that hard to believe after you called Asian laborers 'coolies ' .

Metaphor Tom so you got the picture. As I said we have a different set of experiences and if you like racist views but no one is sweeping them under the carpet and hiding behind racial descriptions attached to a national ephelet. Race is rarely referred to here in any form, it doesn't have to be, we immediately understand where a person comes from from their appearance and their name, and we are all Australians until proven otherwise.

So from our perspective you have an interesting set of dog whistles, and while we are there how is it you don't think minimum should apply to everyone, another piece of imbedded racism?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Dude, I live in a Hispanic neighborhood, I am the minority. Amarillo is anything but isolated and we're quite diverse. No one said racism doesn't exist but we've had that talk, you use that straw man repeatedly and buy into this dog whistle crap to avoid a real discussion and perpetuate the problem. You don't want solve racism.

So you acknowledge racism exists but deny it has a language that racists talk to each other about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

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You start in 1954 by saying, "N*****, n*****, n*****." By 1968, you can't say "n*****" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*****, n*****."[9][10]

Have you forgotten the ad by Harold Fords opponent in the 2010 senate ad?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/26/us...tennessee.html

Sorry my friend, but your straw man refrain is getting to be a symbol of when you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

So you acknowledge racism exists but deny it has a language that racists talk to each other about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

Have you forgotten the ad by Harold Fords opponent in the 2010 senate ad?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/26/us/politics/26tennessee.html?_r=1

Sorry my friend, but your straw man refrain is getting to be a symbol of when you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Yeah, like the "Let america be america" line from Romney that happened to be a KKK slogan?

Hear! Hear! About the straw man refrain. Over it.

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Originally Posted by Magpie95

Yeah, like the "Let america be america" line from Romney that happened to be a KKK slogan?

Hear! Hear! about the straw man refrain. Over it.

Yeah under Romney the KKK might rise again

Too late!

Russell Pearce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In October 2006, Pearce included the text of an article by National Alliance, a white separatist group, in an email to a group of supporters. The article, titled "Who Rules America"[23] contained allegations of Jewish control of the media and of multiculturalism being a Jewish anti-White conspiracy, as well as Holocaust denialism.[24] He quickly apologized to supporters in an email, stating: "Ugly the words contained in it really are. They are not mine and I disavow them completely. Worse still, the website links to a group whose politics are the ugliest imaginable."[24] Pearce told reporters he did not agree with the antisemitic and racist statements in the article, and that he had copied it from an email forwarded to him by someone else after "the title and the first paragraphs about media bias appealed to him".[24]

Pearce was also criticized for his association with white supremacist J. T. Ready.[25] Pearce endorsed Ready for Mesa City Council in 2006[26] and appeared with him at several rallies. In 2004 Pearce was photographed attending Ready's baptism into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). Church documents reveal that Pearce ordained Ready into the LDS priesthood.[27] Pearce has since claimed he was unaware of Ready's neo-Nazi affiliations at the time he made the endorsement.[28]