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Originally Posted by tomder55

What you just told me is that you favor less transparency ....not the type of transparency that you have been applauding with these leaks. Anyone who can read through open source information could piece together the things that have made the headlines.

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Hello again, tom:

I HATE the word, "transparency", just like I HATE the words, "going forward". Those are PC words that DON'T say anything...

There are things that a nation needs to keep SECRET. Then there are things that a leader keeps SECRET that are simply EMBARRASSING to him. They are NOT the same things. I'm all FOR keeping your lips sealed about one, and I'm all FOR revealing everything about the other.

I suggest the leaks DID reveal new things. Nonetheless, you CONFIRM above, the laziness of our current "lame stream media". As you point out, IF they had done their jobs, they COULD have pieced these stories together and REPORTED them... They DIDN'T. They were too busy attending beltway cocktail parties rubbing elbows with the people they were supposed to be reporting on... That's why Assange did us a service.

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It is not the role of the press to dump raw documents into the public domain.That's lazy irresponsible journalism of the highest degree.

Of course ,Assange only being competent in the transfer of raw data can hardly be called a journalist. We do more legitimate journalism in our discussions.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

We do more legitimate journalism in our discussions.

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Hahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahah!!

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Originally Posted by tomder55

It is not the role of the press to dump raw documents into the public domain.That's lazy irresponsible journalism of the highest degree.

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Hello again, tom:

I'm not as hung up about labels as you are.. I don't care IF Assange is a journalist, a rapist, or a hacker. HE is not the point. The point IS the American public. Whomever winds up being the bad guy here, WE, as American citizens are better informed. THAT is what the First Amendment is designed to accomplish, and Wikkileaks fulfilled it perfectly.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Hahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahah!!!!!!

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Well most of us anyway . Above is a comment that is not designed to further the discussion

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well most of us anyway . Above is a comment that is not designed to further the discussion

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That's your standard response all right.

But Obama is the Messiah... and Assange isn't yet in custody because Obama and his flunky appointees are so incompetent they couldn't find someone in the UK... that probibly has a phone, credit cards and a lot of other stuff in his own name there...

Much less find someone running around in the Tribal areas of Pakistan where not only do the have a typical 7th century mindset like most Muslims have... they actually live like they did in the 7th century for the most part.

Releasing classified documents is a crime... Heck, simply possessing them without actually having a need to know is a crime.

Want to release stuff legally? That's what the Freedom of information act is for...

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But Obama is the Messiah.

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So you keep telling us.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

So you keep telling us.

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And so an ever decreasing number of you (real liberals) keep treating him.

I have no idea what the heck that means.
BTW I'm not a liberal. I voted conservative last election.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I have no idea what the heck that means.
BTW I'm not a liberal. I voted conservative last election.

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You and a LOT of other independents and Democrats that once actually fell for the BS that con-artist spewed 2 years ago. But have wised up since.

Not sure about that but you keep thinking he's some kind of god... weird.

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Not sure about that but you keep thinking he's some kind of god...weird.

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Antichrist maybe... god? Not a chance and never did.. I knew he was a con artist from the beginning... Its the Dems that did essentually anything he asked... when he asked for it for 2 years.

It cost them BIG in this election as a result. Wasn't the Republicans that built him a MT Olympus in Colorado at the mile high stadium (re,eber from Greek Mythology what Mt Olympus was)... The hard left is who has control of the Democrat party... and Obama is HARD, HARD left.

John F Kennedy is probibly spinning in his grave right now. Today's Democrat party is NOT anything Kennedy would have liked or even supported.

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Antichrist maybe... god? Not a chance and never did.

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https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/2623249-post127.html

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But Obama is the Messiah

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You're the only here that says that, and you say it often.

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The hard left is who has control of the Democrat party....and Obama is HARD, HARD left.

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Hello again, smoothy:

Nope. Missed it again... How can one guy be so consistently wrong??

Obama is a centrist. I'm the left. I'm pissed because he isn't left enough. He promised that there would be a public option. There wasn't... He promised to investigate Bush. He didn't. He promised to release photographs of how we tortured people. He didn't. He promised that he would let the tax cuts for the rich expire. He's not. He promised to close Gitmo. It's still open. He promised to end DADT. He didn't.

THAT'S why the left is pissed at him.

excon

Assange was arrested today for rape . Trumped up ? I don't think so . The guy is a creep . He thinks he knows better than the centuries established diplomatic system recognized by the world. Why wouldn't he think he can defy ultra-liberal Swedish sexual predator laws .

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Assange was arrested today for rape . Trumped up ? I don't think so . The guy is a creep . He thinks he knows better than the centuries established diplomatic system recognized by the world. Why wouldn't he think he can defy ultra-liberal Swedish sexual predator laws .

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Have you ever had sex with a woman without using a condom?

I suppose that is his version of it. The misogynist left of course is quick to blame the rape victim. But the charges of "one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of rape" appear to be a bit more than sex without a condom . Swedish courts have concluded that there are suffictient reasons to charge him ;but because he is taking on the US ,obviosuly the
Swedes are acting as US stooges. Uh huh

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He thinks he knows better than the centuries established diplomatic system recognized by the world. Why wouldn't he think he can defy ultra-liberal Swedish sexual predator laws .

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Hello again tom:

You invoke the age old corrupt, right wing ideology called transference. He does this, so of course, he'd do that. Mattingly is gay, so of course, he's a crook. Or in HIS case, he's a crook, so of course, he's gay.

I smoke pot. I defy law. That doesn't give me license to sexually abuse people.

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Yeah... by his own admission he is much worse than a rapist .
He admits that his releases during the Kenyan elections resulted in 1300 deaths .
He justifies it by saying :
“On the other hand, the Kenyan people had a right to that information and 40,000 children a year die of malaria in Kenya.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...ks-afghanistan

This latest batch of releases contained information about vital assets the government believes must be protected from terrorist attack.

Now he is threatening to release what he calls a "poison pill" which would include unredacted names of informants ,native translators in the war zones, and agents inside enemy networks.

He is conducting cyberwarfare and his sites and networks should be treated as such .